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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So you and a hundred thousand people donate $10 each for a million total and a single individual ponies up a hundred million.

    In a world where the candidate who spends the most money generally wins, don't you see that as a problem. That a handful of people have the same political "voice" as hundreds of thousands or even millions?
    Nope. The world is not equal. Jay-Z had more money to donate to Barack Obama than I had to donate to Mitt Romney. I didn't cry about it.

    Besides, what can I do to stop it even if I did care. Go to everyone nickzillionaire and demand that he not give donations to political candidates? Donate several hundred million dollars myself to offset it?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    They're both organizing disorganization, they're just doing it for different reasons. They're more common than you're willing to admit.
    No, a CEO doesn't get paid to organize people. He gets paid to run a company. A Union boss doesn't make anything, he doesn't sell anything, he doesn't manufacture anything. He doesn't answer to a Board of Directors, he doesn't have to make payroll, he doesn't have to return shareholder equity.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What do you think the 2016 election is about? let me fill you in.....THE PRESIDENT.
    bwahaha.

    and this is why democrats are hopeless in non-presidential elections.

    2016 will be about congressional seats, state races, and yes, even the presidential race.

    But apparently to the nutjobs, it is just about the presidential race.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    If they put that money back into the economy instead of spending it on worthless attack ads imagine how much better this country would be off.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, a CEO doesn't get paid to organize people. He gets paid to run a company. A Union boss doesn't make anything, he doesn't sell anything, he doesn't manufacture anything. He doesn't answer to a Board of Directors, he doesn't have to make payroll, he doesn't have to return shareholder equity.
    Think big picture.

    The labor that will ultimately perform every task will be organized by two individuals: the CEO, and the union leader. Neither makes anything. Both simply work to ensure that something is made. They are both organizers of those that will.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If verbalized, yes - the government could not legally stop you from publicly pronouncing a bribe. But the act of bribing is also illegal. If someone is going to bribe a government official, the authorities would be delighted if the briber would verbalize his/her bribe and verbally identify the politician or public servant being bribed - it would make their jobs easier.
    Let me ask you this:

    1. Do you think there should be direct contribution limits for a campaign/candidate?
    2. Do you think SuperPACs have made those limits irrelevant?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The concept of "earning" is a subjective social construct. It means only what those who hold authority determine it means. That authority is not absolute or permanent.

    Being able to envision improvements is the first step to enacting them.
    That's an agenda, not an improvement. Wishing for some to be poorer, based on what? And who gets to decided how much is the right amount? Too much of a moving target left in elitists hands.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Think big picture.

    The labor that will ultimately perform every task will be organized by two individuals: the CEO, and the union leader. Neither makes anything. Both simply work to ensure that something is made. They are both organizers of those that will.
    Forgive me for stepping in, but the labor side of things has very little motivation to ensure something is sold. Certainly there is an appreciation it does help sustain the work, but labor is not responsible for the product, just building it, so to speak.

    Labor isn't interested in R&D, market studies, feasibility, viability, or anything else. It's sole interest is extracting the maximum amount of compensation for the smallest amount of work required. That is not what the mission statement of a reasonable company is.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    First of all, since no CEO sets out to "create jobs" and hires as few workers as possible, and not all companies "create jobs", "job creator" is just a Luntzism.

    And I would expect my union's president to make several times more than me as long as he's doing his job.
    CEO's are rewarded for performance of their companies and no company is in business to employ people but rather to make a profit. No question about it you have idea where the funds come from to pay employees and the CEO's. Hope that money tree in your parent's backyard never runs out of leaves.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Excellent post! And at voting time, they round them all up, take them to the voting place, tell them who to vote for, and consider the job done. And it is. But as I keep asking, what happens when the freebies can't be paid for any longer? What will they do? It's going to become something we have never seen before in this country, IMO. How in H*** did we ever get started on this path that we are on - where you aren't responsible for yourself?
    I think the concept of folks looking to government for their needs/wants started in the 30's under FDR with the "chicken in every pot" mentality and has progressively gotten worse. Though some of the measures FDR put into place out of emergency, they should not have remained and during times of prosperity, they should have been eliminated or at the very least scaled back. Instead, they continued to grow and morphed into other huge government bueacracies.

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