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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    There aren't enough millions for everybody to have one. So there IS a limit, and some indeed are prevented from doing so. The majority in fact.

    If everybody made a million, that would take seven billion millions.
    You really don't understand the difference between "money" and "wealth", do you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's what some people on the right call socialism, not me.
    What you call "socialism" is a fantasy.

    I am not right wing....I am a classic centrist liberal.

    Black and white categorizations are the tool of the ignorant......again, your definition is wrong, just crack a political science text book. What US progressives are preaching is identical to Canada's FAR - left NDP.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So there can't be poor within a wealthy society? I am going to disagree that just because someone can refrigerate their food and **** in a toilet connect to a pipe, doesn't mean that person can't be classified as poor.
    You know, you make less and less sense as time goes on.

    What the **** are you on about toilets and ****....?

    You don't get the basic premise that "poor" is relative, and defined differently.

    You do no service to yourself by dumbing down the debate with typical progressive over-simplification.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And everyone doesn't want his/her candidate elected? I do. When i make a political donation, I do it because I expect the candidate will cast a vote that I would approve of.
    So you and a hundred thousand people donate $10 each for a million total and a single individual ponies up a hundred million.

    In a world where the candidate who spends the most money generally wins, don't you see that as a problem. That a handful of people have the same political "voice" as hundreds of thousands or even millions?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

    Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us...=top-news&_r=0

    The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

    The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.



    Capital Rivals: Koch Brothers vs. George Soros | OpenSecrets Blog



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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It depends on how those "individual voluntary contributions" are obtained. Until recent court rulings, union members had no say. To a degree, they don't know they have a right to chose now. Taxpayers in California have provided $100's of millions to the SEIU in the form of dues over the years through one program alone, In-Home-Support-Services. Would that be any different than one person like George Soros writing a check for $100 million to a super PAC?

    I don't think so.

    As I've written, I really don't know how one can fairly remove the spending on political agenda that is represented by elections. That marketing effort can take many forms beyond just an election cycle, such as what the very Progressive Annenberg Foundation does.

    How do you stop that? I believe you can't so why not go the opposite way, and let them all spend what they want. In the end, it's always only a percentage of a percentage of a percentage who vote anyway, so all that money is a giant stimulus plan that trickles back into the economy.
    Do you have a city for the hundreds of millions in dues to Seiu from a single program? That doesn't sound right as dues generally run a few percent.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So the term earning means whatever you want it to be to serve your own purpose? Envisioning is like speaking and means nothing, action always speaks louder than words
    Earning doesn't have a permanent, objective definition. It's entirely contextual. So, my thoughts on whether someone "earned" 10k/year or "earned" their billions are going to vary from yours.

    My view of humanity is that it's impossible to "earn" billionaire status, because none of us are legitimately worth that many more times any other person.

    Envisioning precedes actions. Actions without a vision are meaningless.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Earning doesn't have a permanent, objective definition. It's entirely contextual. So, my thoughts on whether someone "earned" 10k/year or "earned" their billions are going to vary from yours.

    My view of humanity is that it's impossible to "earn" billionaire status, because none of us are legitimately worth that many more times any other person.

    Envisioning precedes actions. Actions without a vision are meaningless.
    Exactly.

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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Socialism sooner of later must become all encompassing, totalitarian as each new measure requires deeper and deeper involvement in people's everyday lives. The left in America glorifies socialism while waging war with it 90 miles off its coast; Cuba is no more Communist than Belgium.

    The myths and memes live on through ignorance. The US populace spews goo fed to them by propagandists but have never cracked a book on political science, never been to any of the countries on which they pass judgement and sure as hell aren't ever going to listen to a different message. Without ever having set foot in Cuba or any other Socialist country you buy into the lie: Socialism = good. Communism = bad, when they are one in the same.

    What you might call socialism are governments like Canada who have a capitalist friendly government which has adopted some socialist practices in an efficient way.
    You're contradicting yourself in the same post. The "socialism" that the left in America "glorifies" is roughly "governments like Canada." It's certainly nothing like the former Soviet bloc countries (or Cuba) that you're calling examples of "socialism" (and, yes, I've been there..). I'm sure some on the "left" favor that, but some on the right are fascists and outright white supremacists, and it would be just as illegitimate to define the conservative MOVEMENT by its most radical fringe elements.

    It's part of the problem - "socialism" in America means roughly, positions "ideologically left of me."
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Of course there is proof. Why would you ask for it? Are you suggesting Soros and Company are different than Koch groups? Why would they operated any differently? Do you have proof they operate differently?
    Well, in the whole IRS hoopla it was primarily an Increase in conservative applicants for the status that confers anonymity. So it would follow that more conservatives were seeking to make anonymous donations.

    Some people are proud of their support, some fear some kind of backlash.
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