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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The difference between Communism and Socialism is that under Communism, 'everyone wearing glasses gets their heads smashed in with rifle butts' and under Socialism, 'drinks and smokes are on the middle class'.

    Which do you prefer?


    A rather parochial assessment of things, since you are defining what is Communism, and not the regimes implied.

    The USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.....

    Poland was the People's Socialist Republic, was a true democratic republic [with one party like the US in 1776] but you would be "disappeared" for hanging with the wrong crowd or imprisoned for trading in American blue jeans. Over 20,000 political prisoners...that sir, is socialism.

    Socialism sooner of later must become all encompassing, totalitarian as each new measure requires deeper and deeper involvement in people's everyday lives. The left in America glorifies socialism while waging war with it 90 miles off its coast; Cuba is no more Communist than Belgium.

    The myths and memes live on through ignorance. The US populace spews goo fed to them by propagandists but have never cracked a book on political science, never been to any of the countries on which they pass judgement and sure as hell aren't ever going to listen to a different message. Without ever having set foot in Cuba or any other Socialist country you buy into the lie: Socialism = good. Communism = bad, when they are one in the same.

    What you might call socialism are governments like Canada who have a capitalist friendly government which has adopted some socialist practices in an efficient way.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    41 million people....more than the population of Canada.

    How many of them have satellite dishes and 50" screens?
    Greetings, F & L.

    C'mon, most of them just need diversion. They're not tuning in to anything regarding current events, because seeing what the Kardashians and Paris Hilton are up to is far more interesting than terrorist attacks or the country going bankrupt! Life is good with a 50' screen - no worries!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You also predicted the Democrats would win back the House and keep the senate in the last election.


    You have me confused with someone else. I didn't say that.

    If you have proof otherwise let's see it.

    The clock is ticking.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, JasperL.

    Since there are 47 million people on food stamps, and countless others on some kind of government assistance, doesn't this indicate there is a big deficiency on the part of our elected leadership in DC? They are the ones steering our ship of state, not the people suffering in this country! We have gone from bad to worse in the past few years - why is this? We are not a third world country, so when does all this bull**** stop? How much are our little incursions in countries in the ME costing us - not only in dollars, but goodwill? They now hate us more than they ever did, and they are also getting more brazen than they ever were before! That sure doesn't look like a winning strategy to me! Meanwhile, too many are suffering here, and that's not right!.
    All those are subjects that could be a thread on their own, but IMO the people "steering our ship of state" are the Fortune 500 and the big donor class, Wall Street and the rest.

    I've said it different ways in different threads, but I used to have a paper bookmarked from 2001 as I recall. It was published by Council on Foreign Relations, one of those publications by and for the elites. Anyway, the subject was that 1) globalization - "free trade" - would create a predictably large number of losers in the industrialized world - basically blue collar workers then making good wages in some kind of production job. This was treated as a given, a foregone conclusion. The bulk was 2) how to deal with this. The premise was the gains for the global economy far outweighed the harm to some workers, but that the harm had to be mitigated or else the stability of western governments and the 'free trade' they favored would be at risk. So the paper argued for expanded negative income taxes (like EITC) and other direct transfers from the winners of the changing world to the losers. Not because these elites cared about the losers, but to maintain an economic system that worked for the elites.

    So when you point out all the growing number on assistance and all that, my response is that's right, and it was a choice "we" (and I mean the elites) made as a global economy, to hollow out large swaths of the middle class in the industrialized world to make way for a better world economy - this was all known in advance.

    If the Kochs can, in some way, find a way through legislation to provide decent-paying jobs for people who want to work, their money will be well spent, IMO! On the other hand, it looks like Soros wants to continue our downward trend to third-world status! How many jobs has Soros provided, other than those he created through various agencies for people to work on his agenda of keeping the poor dependent upon government? Why isn't he advocating for a better life for people here and the rest of the world, instead of the one-world-government he appears to favor, where everyone but the elite become serfs? Screw that!
    Again, I disagree. When we decided on "free trade" we put our workers in direct competition with workers making $1 an hour. The inevitable result of THAT is wages converging, and most of that will be our wages flatlining or declining with slow rises elsewhere. It can't really be any other way in the big picture. And what the Kochs want (and the Chamber of Commerce, Fortune 500 boys) - or at least want in part - is to bring our labor and environmental standards downward - not to the levels in China because that could never work, but towards them. Same with work rules, end of unions, and all the rest. Sure, that will bring some jobs back, because we cut our wages in half, and killed unions, and all the rest. That's great for business, but it will take a long time for those benefits to show up in rising wages as we still compete with $3 (instead of $1) and hour wages....

    Anyway, it's those influences moving us to third world status - not people dealing with the fallout of that, declining wages at the bottom, 40 years of flat lined wages in the middle, exploding income at the top, all typical of third world plutocracies.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    A rather parochial assessment of things, since you are defining what is Communism, and not the regimes implied.

    The USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.....

    Poland was the People's Socialist Republic, was a true democratic republic [with one party like the US in 1776] but you would be "disappeared" for hanging with the wrong crowd or imprisoned for trading in American blue jeans. Over 20,000 political prisoners...that sir, is socialism.

    Socialism sooner of later must become all encompassing, totalitarian as each new measure requires deeper and deeper involvement in people's everyday lives. The left in America glorifies socialism while waging war with it 90 miles off its coast; Cuba is no more Communist than Belgium.

    The myths and memes live on through ignorance. The US populace spews goo fed to them by propagandists but have never cracked a book on political science, never been to any of the countries on which they pass judgement and sure as hell aren't ever going to listen to a different message. Without ever having set foot in Cuba or any other Socialist country you buy into the lie: Socialism = good. Communism = bad, when they are one in the same.

    What you might call socialism are governments like Canada who have a capitalist friendly government which has adopted some socialist practices in an efficient way.


    That's what some people on the right call socialism, not me.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    And how do you propose that happen? Do you understand what earn means?
    The concept of "earning" is a subjective social construct. It means only what those who hold authority determine it means. That authority is not absolute or permanent.
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    Fantacize much?
    Being able to envision improvements is the first step to enacting them.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    The concept of "earning" is a subjective social construct. It means only what those who hold authority determine it means. That authority is not absolute or permanent.

    Being able to envision improvements is the first step to enacting them.
    So the term earning means whatever you want it to be to serve your own purpose? Envisioning is like speaking and means nothing, action always speaks louder than words

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Well, I saw John Hawkins and didn't expect much, but that was an impressive list of straw men even for him!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F & L.

    C'mon, most of them just need diversion. They're not tuning in to anything regarding current events, because seeing what the Kardashians and Paris Hilton are up to is far more interesting than terrorist attacks or the country going bankrupt! Life is good with a 50' screen - no worries!


    Yeah that's "poor".

    I invite these "poor" to visit a village in Haiti....any village
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Yeah that's "poor".

    I invite these "poor" to visit a village in Haiti....any village
    So there can't be poor within a wealthy society? I am going to disagree that just because someone can refrigerate their food and **** in a toilet connect to a pipe, doesn't mean that person can't be classified as poor.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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