Page 54 of 100 FirstFirst ... 444525354555664 ... LastLast
Results 531 to 540 of 999

Thread: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

  1. #531
    Undisclosed
    Unrepresented's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    San Diego
    Last Seen
    06-12-16 @ 09:05 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,230

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Billionaires make their own chances. But by that logic if I make $100K/yr I get more chances than someone making $10K/yr. So why don't we just go straight to communism where everyone makes $10K/yr, right?
    How about more people earn 100k and less earn 10k and 1 billion.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

  2. #532
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,277

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    How about more people earn 100k and less earn 10k and 1 billion.
    And how do you propose that happen? Do you understand what earn means?

  3. #533
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The difference between Communism and Socialism is that under Communism, 'everyone wearing glasses gets their heads smashed in with rifle butts' and under Socialism, 'drinks and smokes are on the middle class'.

    Which do you prefer?
    So then you'll have to be happy with unequal incomes.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  4. #534
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    How about more people earn 100k and less earn 10k and 1 billion.
    Fantacize much?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  5. #535
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,454
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    To what do you base your estimate on lobbists? Please provide proof that you're even remotely in the ball park. Also, please provide the basis for their lobbying efforts. Do you think the SEIU is lobbying for business interests? How about the AFL-CIO? A cursory review of the White House guest log indicates your estimates are not very accurate. I would suspect the same holds true on Capitol Hill.

    The fact of the matter is that this spending would be very difficult to regulate. While I can bitch about the offensive nature of the Annenberg Learner program being used in public education, it's up to the parents to stop such efforts by these groups. I think they are too disinterested to do so, and appear in many states to be willing to turn the parenting over to the government.

    So, that being the case, let the money flow. It's not just from billionaires, as your meme suggests, it's from all directions. They are not putting the money in a pile and burning it, they are spending it on ways they think will influence people towards support of their cause. Even the losers see their money being spent, so what's to worry about?

    Frankly, if you tracked ALL the money, Liberal/Progressives should be quiet about reform, since they are way ahead of the game.
    Making it difficult to track the money back to its source was at the heart of the whole IRS "scandal". Seeking donor anonymity was the sole reason for filing other than 527.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  6. #536
    Guru
    Mustachio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Minneapolis
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,585

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    It would be funny to see how the opinion of some posters here will radically change when two Muslim trillionaires start shelling out billions of dollars to strategically back Muslim candidates and defeat Christian ones. Claims that it's a matter of free speech that we allow the system to be owned and manipulated by corporations see a little manufactured to me. I could understand it if somebody said that giving $100 to a local Congressman is an extension of your free speech. I do not understand somebody saying that creating a nationwide effort to manipulate policy in the manner the Koch brothers have done it (honing in on local elections that can be won with money to create Republican majorities on the statewide level) is free speech. It seems no different that what Tammany Hall did except it's on a much bigger scale.
    A working class hero is something to be

  7. #537
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,454
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's not "extracted" from anyone. That term implies theft or some type of coercion.

    The right of the people - ALL of the people - to profit from their labor, their wit, their wisdom and whatever other LEGAL means they use should NEVER be infringed upon. Furthermore, just because I make a million dollars in no way, shape or forms means that you are somehow prevented from doing the same.
    There aren't enough millions for everybody to have one. So there IS a limit, and some indeed are prevented from doing so. The majority in fact.

    If everybody made a million, that would take seven billion millions.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  8. #538
    Left the building
    Fearandloathing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Vancouver, Canada Dual citizen
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,481

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    It would be funny to see how the opinion of some posters here will radically change when two Muslim trillionaires start shelling out billions of dollars to strategically back Muslim candidates and defeat Christian ones. Claims that it's a matter of free speech that we allow the system to be owned and manipulated by corporations see a little manufactured to me. I could understand it if somebody said that giving $100 to a local Congressman is an extension of your free speech. I do not understand somebody saying that creating a nationwide effort to manipulate policy in the manner the Koch brothers have done it (honing in on local elections that can be won with money to create Republican majorities on the statewide level) is free speech. It seems no different that what Tammany Hall did except it's on a much bigger scale.



    I suspect there is more to the coziness with the House of Saud by every president and leading politician in the United States since Carter.
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
    Donald Trump, 11/23/17

  9. #539
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,454
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL.

    Please.

    Let's take a quick sampling.

    Koch Brothers - NY Times

    The Kochs are longtime opponents of campaign disclosure laws. Unlike the parties, their network is constructed chiefly of nonprofit groups that are not required to reveal donors. That makes it almost impossible to tell how much of the money is provided by the Kochs — among the wealthiest men in the country — and how much by other donors.

    Soros - NY Times

    George Soros, the retired hedge fund billionaire and longtime patron of liberal causes, will invest $2.5 million in the effort, officials involved with the plan said. His participation is a signal that some of the wealthy donors who arrived late to the Democrats’ “super PAC” efforts in 2012 are committing early for the next round.

    Details of the effort were presented this week at a Washington conference of the Democracy Alliance, a coalition of some of the country’s biggest liberal givers, which works to steer money and to coordinate political work among advocacy groups. Mr. Soros and other alliance donors were early investors in Catalist, and many of the groups funded by the alliance now buy data from it.

    Hmmm. Any mention of the vast array of non profits his Democracy Alliance funds? Any mention of the closed door meetings they hold?

    At a glance, Mr. Soros, a hedge fund manager who has helped finance “super PACs" and collaborated with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, does not fit the typical profile of a supporter for Mr. de Blasio, who has pledged to raise taxes on the wealthy and turn back Bloomberg administration policies and who is a frequent critic of unrestricted political spending.

    Mr. Soros, a "hedge fund manager"? LOL. Any mention of his global Open Society Institute?


    Sorry my friend, but you've not only tripped over your slip, but you did so in the corral. Again, you're going to need bleach to get the stains off.
    IDK. Your argument is pretty weak.

    Do you have some evidence that Soros and his ilk are utilizing donor anonymity loopholes as the Koch groups do?

    I suspect they are, but do you have proof?
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  10. #540
    Left the building
    Fearandloathing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Vancouver, Canada Dual citizen
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,481

    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And how do you propose that happen? Do you understand what earn means?


    You are expecting a new answer to that?

    It has not changed since Karl Marx got the stupidest idea in the known universe.

    Make the rich pay!

    They have it, we want it, give it to us! Either by force or by lies, we want it!

    Every communist manifesto, every socialist program is steeped in getting what the other guy has because of the "poor".....

    Well, the definition of "poor" by the American socialist has been upgraded to late model cars, 50" screens, and cheap gadgets all built with starvation wages by American companies in China or some other hell hole.

    It isn't about the poor, or "income equality"...it's about greed.

    "They" have it, we want it.
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
    Donald Trump, 11/23/17

Page 54 of 100 FirstFirst ... 444525354555664 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •