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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Power goes back and forth. The conservatives held it between 2000 and 2008 in the White House and look what "good" that did us. I am not defending Democratic policies, only laughing at the notion that conservatives are somehow underrepresented in DC.
    If you're referring to George W. Bush, he wasn't a conservative.
    If you're referring to the leaders of the House & Senate who were in control during those years? They are not conservatives.
    Today is 2015 and there are still not many conservatives representing us.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Capitalism.


    You're in luck, that's what we have in the USA. Big time.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Maybe I should run for office so I can be able to buy that second house I've always wanted make a difference!

    Viva America!
    Running for office is big business. It's a moneymaker for lots of folks, both the politician and the 'handlers'.

    A Politico article from the other day.

    A POLITICO analysis of reports filed with the Federal Election Commission covering the 2014 cycle found that 33 PACs that court small donors with tea party-oriented email and direct-mail appeals raised $43 million — 74 percent of which came from small donors. The PACs spent only $3 million on ads and contributions to boost the long-shot candidates often touted in the appeals, compared to $39.5 million on operating expenses, including $6 million to firms owned or managed by the operatives who run the PACs.


    The rise of 'scam PACs' - Kenneth P. Vogel - POLITICO
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    We need one Member per 100,000 citizens and the ability of the members to primarily work at home in their district. It would make the government far more effective than 1,000 campaign finance laws would. It scatters the flock from the wolves.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you're referring to George W. Bush, he wasn't a conservative.
    He absolutely was a conservative. A neoconservative, specifically.

    If you're referring to the leaders of the House & Senate who were in control during those years? They are not conservatives.
    Today is 2015 and there are still not many conservatives representing us.
    Oh, thats right. The only TRUE conservatives are people like Ted Cruz. You do not have to be a radical conservative to be a conservative.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    We need one Member per 100,000 citizens and the ability of the members to primarily work at home in their district. It would make the government far more effective than 1,000 campaign finance laws would. It scatters the flock from the wolves.
    I would personally like to see most of government decentralized dramatically. Unfortunately, we are currently stuck with the centralized behemoth for now. If we want the People to have a say over the corporations then these laws are a necessity.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I would personally like to see most of government decentralized dramatically. Unfortunately, we are currently stuck with the centralized behemoth for now. If we want the People to have a say over the corporations then these laws are a necessity.
    Meh, they are convening a Constitutional Convention as we speak. I need to be a delegate. I will call it the Blackboard Amendment. Members, like students, will be required to participate in the Blackboard legislative community

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    He absolutely was a conservative. A neoconservative, specifically.



    Oh, thats right. The only TRUE conservatives are people like Ted Cruz. You do not have to be a radical conservative to be a conservative.
    A neoconservative isn't a conservative.

    Ted Cruz? I don't care for him. Not sure what he has to do with what I said which was "Today is 2015 and there are still not many conservatives representing us."
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There are plenty of uninformed morons who pull straight GOP tickets, at least in my area.

    And I don't quite get criticizing, say, single moms for voting for more 'entitlements.' This thread discusses the Koch brothers. We can be certain that the policies they support are good for Koch Industries and their personal fortune. And they're spending $900 million to advance an agenda that benefits them. Someone will have to explain to me why it's OK for the Kochs to spend massive sums to support policies that help them, but somehow illegitimate for a supposedly uninformed single mom to vote for those who she believes will benefit her?

    I understand why others object to more 'entitlements' - their taxes pay for them. OK, so you're supporting your interest in lower taxes! It's no different than that single mom. If there is any problem, it's that we no longer feel the need to pay for things and run large deficits which removes the downside of many of our choices, but this is a bipartisan problem.

    Anyway, those uninformed liberals are doing nothing more or less than the country's biggest donors and most powerful interest groups, and the latter are who wield by FAR the real power in this country.
    Greetings, JasperL.

    Since there are 47 million people on food stamps, and countless others on some kind of government assistance, doesn't this indicate there is a big deficiency on the part of our elected leadership in DC? They are the ones steering our ship of state, not the people suffering in this country! We have gone from bad to worse in the past few years - why is this? We are not a third world country, so when does all this bull**** stop? How much are our little incursions in countries in the ME costing us - not only in dollars, but goodwill? They now hate us more than they ever did, and they are also getting more brazen than they ever were before! That sure doesn't look like a winning strategy to me! Meanwhile, too many are suffering here, and that's not right!.

    If the Kochs can, in some way, find a way through legislation to provide decent-paying jobs for people who want to work, their money will be well spent, IMO! On the other hand, it looks like Soros wants to continue our downward trend to third-world status! How many jobs has Soros provided, other than those he created through various agencies for people to work on his agenda of keeping the poor dependent upon government? Why isn't he advocating for a better life for people here and the rest of the world, instead of the one-world-government he appears to favor, where everyone but the elite become serfs? Screw that!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You cut out the rest of my comment. The GOP is openly and proudly hostile to unions - would kill them off entirely if given the opportunity.
    Freedom is something that crosses ideological boundaries and because someone is against something that you are for doesn't make it wrong or illegal. Unions have outlived their usefulness but what really bothers me is that most union supporters have no idea how much the leadership of the unions make in salary and benefits and they generate exactly what?

    The GOP doesn't have to do a thing to kill off unions for as unions kill of companies that is doing the job for the GOP that is until people like Obama get into office and use taxpayer dollars to bail them out and the same liberals who demonize business are cheering him on.

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