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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Koch brothers aren't looking to take away any of my rights that I'm aware of. What rights of yours are they looking to take away or even impede?
    The Kochs want to end pollution regulations. We all have a right to breathe unpolluted air.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Simple.

    When you have a crappy product that no one likes, you have to spend a lot of extra money on marketing to sell i.
    Yea.... Soros bought us pure junk snake oil..... we all suffer now

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What Conservatives are holding the bullhorn in DC today? What Conservatives are getting what they want passed into law? Who was the strong Conservative voice that successfully opposed the passing of the ACA and Dodd-Frank?
    Power goes back and forth. The conservatives held it between 2000 and 2008 in the White House and look what "good" that did us. I am not defending Democratic policies, only laughing at the notion that conservatives are somehow underrepresented in DC.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Groups whose money is made up of many voluntary contributions are different from those of wealthy single individuals and corporations.

    They just are. Its just more "democratic". The voice of the many instead of the few.

    That said, I would like to see public financing.
    It depends on how those "individual voluntary contributions" are obtained. Until recent court rulings, union members had no say. To a degree, they don't know they have a right to chose now. Taxpayers in California have provided $100's of millions to the SEIU in the form of dues over the years through one program alone, In-Home-Support-Services. Would that be any different than one person like George Soros writing a check for $100 million to a super PAC?

    I don't think so.

    As I've written, I really don't know how one can fairly remove the spending on political agenda that is represented by elections. That marketing effort can take many forms beyond just an election cycle, such as what the very Progressive Annenberg Foundation does.

    How do you stop that? I believe you can't so why not go the opposite way, and let them all spend what they want. In the end, it's always only a percentage of a percentage of a percentage who vote anyway, so all that money is a giant stimulus plan that trickles back into the economy.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The Koch Brothers have a lot of cash and they can buy a lot of things with that cash.

    But there are a few things that they can't buy - like your vote and my vote.

    That's what dooms their plans to failure.

    The next occupant of the White House will be a Democrat.
    Wait and see.
    If ISIS has their way, you are correct, and it will be Joe Biden. After Joe loses his head, which likely has already happened, it looks like Boehner will be next on the chopping block. I feel pretty good about this. I'm a long, long way down the political ladder. At 65, I don't think they'll make it to me.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not at all - delusions of oppression are for the weak and the left. Conservatives are self-actualizing. That's why they're proactively going out and trying to create what they want rather than sitting back and bemoaning what others are doing.
    C'mon, conservatives don't bemoan? They are constantly bickering and crying over the policies of our "socialist" president. You're a smart guy John and I like you but that's kind of silly.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, the US Supreme Court rightly believes that the act of spending money is a form of free speech - very democratic.
    Is bribing a state official "free speech?"
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    You do realize that the same could be said every year of Reagan's administration also don't you?

    We have the biggest government every year. Our population keeps growing.
    Are you missing the point, the govt gets bigger and bigger every year and the difference in wealth gets bigger and biggger; yet Lefties think bigger govt is the cure. Bull****!
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The difference between Communism and Socialism is that under Communism, 'everyone wearing glasses gets their heads smashed in with rifle butts' and under Socialism, 'drinks and smokes are on the middle class'.

    Which do you prefer?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Power goes back and forth. The conservatives held it between 2000 and 2008 in the White House and look what "good" that did us. I am not defending Democratic policies,
    only laughing at the notion that conservatives are somehow underrepresented in DC.


    I predict that conservatives will be underrepresented in the White House after 2016. No matter how much money the Koch brothers spend.

    Wait and see.
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