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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    The middle class aren't wealthy.
    Right, and I didn't say they were wealthy. Very confused.....

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    No, I'm not. Do you think a good economy is BAD for unions?
    You cut out the rest of my comment. The GOP is openly and proudly hostile to unions - would kill them off entirely if given the opportunity.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, but I wasn't talking about schools.
    No, but you have the argument in this debate that money does not influence. Is this because they are, or claim to be, libertarian? If this was Jorge Perez dumping hundreds of millions to promote immigration and a bilingual America with results showing he is influencing policy and education with children learning only Spanish, would you still be defending him and his right to do that? I myself would not support that because even though I would be on the same side, I do not like the idea of us all being controlled by what a small number of people want.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Sort of like how homosexual perverts influence kids in schools to accept their perversion?

    Or how about this one:

    "El Rancho Verde Unified School District will stop requiring its high-school students to take geography and instead require them to take a class on diversity and inclusion."
    >> School District Replace Teaching of Geography With Diversity | The Federalist Papers

    Pure leftwing propaganda replacing authentic studies in school.


    At least the Koch brothers are on the correct side. If kids are influenced by that, then God bless the Koch brothers.

    I don't like either side influencing policy. School is for learning, not trying to be influenced by some right/left wing propaganda.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    No, but you have the argument in this debate that money does not influence. Is this because they are, or claim to be, libertarian? If this was Jorge Perez dumping hundreds of millions to promote immigration and a bilingual America with results showing he is influencing policy and education with children learning only Spanish, would you still be defending him and his right to do that? I myself would not support that because even though I would be on the same side, I do not like the idea of us all being controlled by what a small number of people want.
    I was only posting about the Koch brothers influencing elections which is what this thread was about.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Jasper, are you not aware of the numerous voters that come out for a presidential election that can't even tell you what country bombed Peal Harbor in WW11 let alone who is considered to be the "father" of the Constitution? Have you watched the numerous pathetic responses to questions given from people like Leno to many others of people going out into the public targeting the young and dumb college crowd but are old enough to vote and they couldn't pass a 6th grade history exam? These people vote for feel good ideas not what is right for the country. Thanks to our education system too many are too ignorant to make sound judgment. If you promise these folks two free years of community college these folks are on board. If you promise the single moms more entitlements they are on board and so are the dads of all these fatherless "love" children cause that means the daddies are off the hook. If you make a claim that we need public daycare provided by the taxpayers, you got a whole lot of folks ready to vote for you and all are willing to stick it to the one who put his life on hold to achieve an education to land a good job before ever thinking about reproducing. Who was left with a boatload of student loans for his education that will take 15 years to pay off. But yet he becomes successful making good money only to have others willing to tax him/her at a higher rate so they can get the freebies. Says a lot for the condition of our society doesn't it. But lets not blame everything on the young and dumb because there are a lot of senior citizens in our society that think even though they didn't prepare for their retirement that somehow they are special and think the younger generation and the generation after them is suppose to pick up the tab. What's wrong with this picture? But yet most of the media is promoting such an agenda.
    Excellent post! And at voting time, they round them all up, take them to the voting place, tell them who to vote for, and consider the job done. And it is. But as I keep asking, what happens when the freebies can't be paid for any longer? What will they do? It's going to become something we have never seen before in this country, IMO. How in H*** did we ever get started on this path that we are on - where you aren't responsible for yourself?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    All you can do is promise someone a chance, you can't promise success.
    When you have to compete with billionaires for a "chance," most of the time you're going to lose.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Good fore them.
    They should be able to support those they want.


    No one is stopping them from doing that, but they will not be able to buy the White House.

    Wait and see. They aren't the only people in the USA with some cash.




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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Maybe I should run for office so I can be able to buy that second house I've always wanted make a difference!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Excellent post! And at voting time, they round them all up, take them to the voting place, tell them who to vote for, and consider the job done. And it is. But as I keep asking, what happens when the freebies can't be paid for any longer? What will they do? It's going to become something we have never seen before in this country, IMO. How in H*** did we ever get started on this path that we are on - where you aren't responsible for yourself?
    There are plenty of uninformed morons who pull straight GOP tickets, at least in my area.

    And I don't quite get criticizing, say, single moms for voting for more 'entitlements.' This thread discusses the Koch brothers. We can be certain that the policies they support are good for Koch Industries and their personal fortune. And they're spending $900 million to advance an agenda that benefits them. Someone will have to explain to me why it's OK for the Kochs to spend massive sums to support policies that help them, but somehow illegitimate for a supposedly uninformed single mom to vote for those who she believes will benefit her?

    I understand why others object to more 'entitlements' - their taxes pay for them. OK, so you're supporting your interest in lower taxes! It's no different than that single mom. If there is any problem, it's that we no longer feel the need to pay for things and run large deficits which removes the downside of many of our choices, but this is a bipartisan problem.

    Anyway, those uninformed liberals are doing nothing more or less than the country's biggest donors and most powerful interest groups, and the latter are who wield by FAR the real power in this country.

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