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    Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    They seem to come up with the funds to hire people all over to literally dig through the trash of those who the network is politically opposed to. They seem to have the power to pick and choose which story to run chosen on the basis of those the news agency is in favor. They seem to focus on tearing down certain candidates depending whether a D or a R follows their name. Yep they have earn the name, Drive by media.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    I think you listen to too much Wingnut radio.
    I think your softball got lost in left field.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    I think you watch too much TV.


    That shows how little you know about me.

    I very seldom watch TV, I get my news from the internet.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Campaign finance reform = government rationed political speech.
    Was the emancipation proclamation the government rationing our right to personal property?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    They seem to come up with the funds to hire people all over to literally dig through the trash of those who the network is politically opposed to. They seem to have the power to pick and choose which story to run chosen on the basis of those the news agency is in favor and holding stories that are not. They seem to focus on tearing down certain candidates depending whether a D or a R follows their name. Yep they have earn the name, Drive by media.
    I'm not defending the corporate news - it's IMO a version of reality TV that I find pretty worthless for the most part - couldn't tell you on what channels to find any of the cable variety (CNN, Fox, MSNBC). I find the shows make me dumber after watching them. My inlaws watch them all day - like water torture when they visit....

    But I do think the transition from news being loss leaders for the networks to entertainment shows has harmed coverage, and newspapers are just dying and don't have the money to hire someone to work for a month or more to file ONE story. Thankfully some bloggers are taking up some of the slack. Just takes a while to find someone you can trust and that has consistently good information.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Here's an idea. Auction the Presidency! Money ahead, put it into general revenue. Hell, it couldn't be a worse system than the crapshoot a federal election is now.
    We don't do that for the presidency quite yet, but it happens all the time with governors and house members. Some of them are bought and sold so openly and brazenly that it's a wonder no one goes to jail for it. But there's a big enough portion of this country, as we see in this thread, that is pretty much in favor of letting the wealthiest among us purchase political influence.

    And there's insane willful ignorance. Like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nope. There's no evidence that they hold any more power than anyone else in this country when it comes to influencing politicians.
    There is ample evidence. There was a century-long ban on corporate spending on elections on Montana because the coal companies were literally buying up elections. Just recently, John Oliver did a segment on a state lawmaker who lead the charge against regulating payday loan companies because of his own stake in several of them. This is the military industrial complex that Eisenhower was warning against. The evidence is everywhere. The only way not to see it is to shut your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Why does money from the left get a pass but Koch money gets scrutiny?
    It doesn't. There's just a lot less of it and it doesn't come from such a small pool of billionaires. We'd gladly give that up in exchange for taking money out of politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by d head View Post
    Indications are that they have't influenced the electorate very much, so far as presidential races go.
    Citizens United has not proven to be the boogie man once feared.
    As above, in presidential races, no. We have yet to get a bought presidential race (though we got one decided by daddy's friends on bench). But we get bought governorships and house membership all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Spending billions on a political campaign is money wasted. It doesn't create long term jobs in the economy. The money goes largely into advertising and developing political ads that never get aired, hair, make up, political coaching, etc. It's a very pretentious, nearly two year spectacle of turd polishing.
    What it does do is make the politicians who get that money and win beholden to their benefactors. In order to get Sheldon Adelson's money, Republican candidates had to promise that they would enact his specific rules around shrimp, so that his casinos could be more profitable. Shrimp! That's what some of our elections are coming down to; one rich guy's not wanting to pay as much for shrimp.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Eventually - if there is no intervention - corporations will have complete control over the system and lawmaking will be tailored to ignore individual rights in favor of industry and a small group of influential people. When that day comes, there will be a lot of people changing their minds too late. Democracy should not be sold to the highest bidder.
    Democracy is about throwing peoples interests against each other and seeing who wins. It is expected that the entire population will bribe the government to make their interests made policy of the state.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not defending the corporate news - it's IMO a version of reality TV that I find pretty worthless for the most part - couldn't tell you on what channels to find any of the cable variety (CNN, Fox, MSNBC). I find the shows make me dumber after watching them. My inlaws watch them all day - like water torture when they visit....

    But I do think the transition from news being loss leaders for the networks to entertainment shows has harmed coverage, and newspapers are just dying and don't have the money to hire someone to work for a month or more to file ONE story. Thankfully some bloggers are taking up some of the slack. Just takes a while to find someone you can trust and that has consistently good information.
    Jasper, are you not aware of the numerous voters that come out for a presidential election that can't even tell you what country bombed Peal Harbor in WW11 let alone who is considered to be the "father" of the Constitution? Have you watched the numerous pathetic responses to questions given from people like Leno to many others of people going out into the public targeting the young and dumb college crowd but are old enough to vote and they couldn't pass a 6th grade history exam? These people vote for feel good ideas not what is right for the country. Thanks to our education system too many are too ignorant to make sound judgment. If you promise these folks two free years of community college these folks are on board. If you promise the single moms more entitlements they are on board and so are the dads of all these fatherless "love" children cause that means the daddies are off the hook. If you make a claim that we need public daycare provided by the taxpayers, you got a whole lot of folks ready to vote for you and all are willing to stick it to the one who put his life on hold to achieve an education to land a good job before ever thinking about reproducing. Who was left with a boatload of student loans for his education that will take 15 years to pay off. But yet he becomes successful making good money only to have others willing to tax him/her at a higher rate so they can get the freebies. Says a lot for the condition of our society doesn't it. But lets not blame everything on the young and dumb because there are a lot of senior citizens in our society that think even though they didn't prepare for their retirement that somehow they are special and think the younger generation and the generation after them is suppose to pick up the tab. What's wrong with this picture? But yet most of the media is promoting such an agenda.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What the hell is the difference when a select few have the majority influence over government? Wealthy people are diverse, and not all wealthy people politically agree. However, political activists like the Koch's and their philosophical values are reflected in candidates they prop up and the policies their candidates propose.
    The Left likes to pick on the Koch Brothers, so about your Soros?
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I posted....

    But on this new subject, look back in history and find me a time with anything resembling a middle class that doesn't have "big government." I don't think you'll be successful. Wealth always tends to accumulate in the hands of a very, very tiny few.
    The middle class aren't wealthy.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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