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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Constitution is clear.

    The constitution denotes free speech with respect to defining government authority to imprison persons.

    The constitution is VERY unclear in denoting what a person is.

    Please cite the sections and clauses *you think* connote an ability for a fictitious legal-construct person to influence an election.


    /PS, good luck finding fake graphs and links to AGW denier blogs.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    See, you call out "left" (presumably insinuating me).
    You have no idea. I want to end corporate personhood, I want federally funded elections, I want the Kochs, Soros, everyone ***OUT*** of the election game.

    But hey, go on patting your back as a proud patriot while shouting the text I underlined.
    federally funded elections? So you want everyone to be beholden to what the federal government allocates to fund elections? I don't know whether to cry for you or laugh at you.

    Politics is a dirty business. It has been from the beginning. But so are a lot of things that come with freedom. When you start trying to "sanitize" it you infringe on liberty.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    The constitution denotes free speech with respect to defining government authority to imprison persons.

    The constitution is VERY unclear in denoting what a person is.

    Please cite the sections and clauses *you think* connote an ability for a fictitious legal-construct person to influence an election.


    /PS, good luck finding fake graphs and links to AGW denier blogs.
    Like the right to privacy, the political personhood of corporations (and unions, etc.) is found in the penumbras of the Constitution. Your wording has some appeal; corporations are indeed legal-construct persons.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    federally funded elections? So you want everyone to be beholden to what the federal government allocates to fund elections? I don't know whether to cry for you or laugh at you.

    Politics is a dirty business. It has been from the beginning. But so are a lot of things that come with freedom. When you start trying to "sanitize" it you infringe on liberty.


    Yes, laught it away. A debate or two. NO* smear ads. Candidates who are serious and have to defend their positions.


    A travesty, I'm sure.


    And yes, if the gov't has to cut funds to NASA, or DOEnergy, it has to cut funds to the election fund. PRIORITIES.


    HOW IN THE SAM HELL did POTUS candidates win before TV, ads, and stuff to begin with? Oh. A clear policy message.
    Is getting back to that... SO WRONG?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Like the right to privacy, the political personhood of corporations (and unions, etc.) is found in the penumbras of the Constitution. Your wording has some appeal; corporations are indeed legal-construct persons.

    so --- you can't cite a section or clause?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    so --- you can't cite a section or clause?
    SCOTUS found the needful, and in the words of Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is."
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    SCOTUS found the needful, and in the words of Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes: "The Constitution is what the judges say it is."
    Good night.

    glad you support Obamacare, let alone Plessy

    Good night.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Yes, laught it away. A debate or two. NO* smear ads. Candidates who are serious and have to defend their positions.


    A travesty, I'm sure.


    And yes, if the gov't has to cut funds to NASA, or DOEnergy, it has to cut funds to the election fund. PRIORITIES.


    HOW IN THE SAM HELL did POTUS candidates win before TV, ads, and stuff to begin with? Oh. A clear policy message.
    Is getting back to that... SO WRONG?
    I suggest you spend the next weekend researching the early campaigns of our country and how vicious they were played out in the printed press which was funded by you guessed it whatever political party had the funds to back it. It has never been what you claimed it to be.

    What are you afraid of? That too many people decide their votes over super pac ads? That they are so ignorant they have no knowledge of Constitutional first principles to make a sound choice? If I was on the left and found out two brothers who are right leaning just promised almost 400 million to the 2016 campaign I'd be concerned too.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Nope-I was just wondering why people who depend on the government to feed them are smarter

    or why those who support that while making a decent salary are smarter than those of us who merely want the government to leave us alone
    Well, the fact that journalists tend to be smarter and more well informed than most people has nothing to do with your ramblings. Journalists just tend to be really sharp people in general, able to quickly understand information and synthesize connections between facts and events. Not all, but I'd guess about three quarters of them.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, the fact that journalists tend to be smarter and more well informed than most people has nothing to do with your ramblings. Journalists just tend to be really sharp people in general, able to quickly understand information and synthesize connections between facts and events. Not all, but I'd guess about three quarters of them.
    actually they might be smarter than those who don't attend college but many of them are hired on looks rather than brains. I'd suspect most of the posters on DP are as sharp or sharper than your average TV journalist even if they don't have a 100 Kilowatt smile or look like they could get a job modeling Armani suits or pantyhose



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