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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Well number one; it's a cut and paste article with no journalistic research or interview involved. Secondly, a number of the people quoted have an ax to grind, so yes, I dispute it.
    All the quotes are on the record, so I don't see a problem.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And? I don't think you understand how it works. AT&T didn't cut Barack Obama a check. Someone in Accounts Payable didn't say "Hey let's send a $50,000 check to Obama For America".

    The donations came from the employees at these employers who willingly made donations to either the PACs affiliated with the companies, or directly to the candidates' campaigns.

    These donations did not come out of AT&T's earnings, profits, coffers, general ledger, or slush fund for parties.
    Although there is a legal difference, there is little real-world difference between donating to a candidate and donating to a PAC supporting a candidate. I'm aware that PACS can not coordinate with, or be directed by, a candidate's campaign, but the candidate is aware that the corporation made a donation to support his run for office and still owes the corporation a favor. That is still true even when the money came from the corporation's employees or otherwise indirectly.

    I am not against the Citizens United decision, because the Supreme Court was correct that it is a first amendment issue, but I am concerned about the fact that a small number of very rich people and large corporations having too much influence on our government.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

    Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us...=top-news&_r=0

    The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

    The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
    It's a good thing we have no better use for that money.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Eventually - if there is no intervention - corporations will have complete control over the system and lawmaking will be tailored to ignore individual rights in favor of industry and a small group of influential people. When that day comes, there will be a lot of people changing their minds too late. Democracy should not be sold to the highest bidder.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Eventually - if there is no intervention - corporations will have complete control over the system and lawmaking will be tailored to ignore individual rights in favor of industry and a small group of influential people. When that day comes, there will be a lot of people changing their minds too late. Democracy should not be sold to the highest bidder.
    So what do you think Obama and liberalism is doing? We have a 3.9 trillion dollar Federal govt. today and an 18.2 trillion dollar debt NONE of it came from those evil corporations but that doesn't stop people from wishing for more govt because they are naïve, gullible, and poorly informed just like Gruber stated.

    Do you have a solution to what you perceive is a problem or do you think more and bigger govt. is the answer? Who pays for it?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    The profits of their labor are turned into political donations. Many people choose and refuse to work for certain company's based on the organizations political agenda and activism.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do corporations require their employees to pay dues that are transformed into political contributions to candidates? My understanding is that union donations are paycheck deductions. I'm not aware of corporations that are deducting funds from their employees' paychecks for political contributions.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    They picked McCain and Romney, and they will most likely pick Jeb. When are these working class conservative voters going to learn they are not in charge of the GOP, and why...

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Its really more about getting their hand picked candidates elected. The guy they know will further their agenda.

    Look up "wealth primary". That's where money picks who we get to choose between.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Where did you see employees getting pressured to donate to their Koch PACs? That is against the law, and if you saw it you should report it. That is a violation of election laws. The only thing that they could offer is an incentive to donate, such as a matching or even accelerated contribution to a charity of the employees' choice. But that isn't pressure.
    Their company emails have been in the national news before. Companies have explicitly told their workers who to vote for, and without repercussions for doing so.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Goldman Sachs lobbies Washington. Lobbyists cut a check to the candidates they lobby.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You seriously don't know that say Goldman Sachs doesn't cut a check to a candidate, and that the "donations from Goldman Sachs" that are tracked and logged are donations from their employees or their PACs, and these are not funds that would otherwise have been invested back in the business or shared with the stockholders?

    OMG please stop posting to me.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Interested parties always try to influence legislation. Nothing new or menacing about that.
    Your comments are cherry picked half truths. Of course interested parties have always tried to influence legislation. There is no denial there. But what is happening in America is NEW, and goes beyond trying to influence legislation. Never before have an elite, wealthy few had so much influence over the government that the government requires the taxpayers to subsidize their losses, but their gains are privatized. How do you call the capitalism? It's not. It's cronyism.

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