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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by d head View Post
    Some say that, under the Citizens United ruling that unions contribute more to Democrats than the Kochs do to republicans, while others say that the Kochs are buying up our democracy in bigger numbers.
    Fact is that they are about a wash, canceling each other out.
    Citizens United hasn't really changed the balance much at all.
    I believe the SCOTUS thought this all through before they ruled on it.
    The Koch's are major supporters of the successful "right to work" campaign. Which DIRECTLY attacks union campaign funding.

    So it would seem the plan is to weaken the unions' ability to raise money effectively. And THEN use their wealth to have their way with the country.

    Its not how MUCH, but WHERE they're focusing their cash.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    No, it's your responsibility to be the best you can be for your family. You can give to charity to help the poor as best you can. Try to vote for honest politicians to the best of your ability.
    I can help my family more by ensuring opportunity through equality.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It always assumed by the Left that the inequality is caused by the evil 1%, and not the government. Of course you won't find a govt study implicating the govt will you? Laws, especially tax laws, have consequences.....many unintended.
    I'm not sure what that has to do with anything I posted....

    But on this new subject, look back in history and find me a time with anything resembling a middle class that doesn't have "big government." I don't think you'll be successful. Wealth always tends to accumulate in the hands of a very, very tiny few.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Lucky for us the US ranks low. In this country the term is a propaganda meme, not a problem.
    It's not a "propaganda meme" when the term is used accurately, and I'd say applying it to Wall Street is accurate for example, defense/"national security" also. And groups like ALEC are trying like heck to spread it to other industries what with the whole industry lobbyists writing bills that legislators occasionally forget to edit out the real author in Word right there on the legislation.... Prison industry is always a nice place for crony capitalism to flourish. Etc.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's not a "propaganda meme" when the term is used accurately, and I'd say applying it to Wall Street is accurate for example, defense/"national security" also. And groups like ALEC are trying like heck to spread it to other industries what with the whole industry lobbyists writing bills that legislators occasionally forget to edit out the real author in Word right there on the legislation.... Prison industry is always a nice place for crony capitalism to flourish. Etc.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Tthe odds are not as good as you think. You have about a 1 and 11 million chance of being attacked by a shark standing in 2 feet of water, and about a 1 and 3 million chance of being struck by lightning (when there is supposed to be lightning.)

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And? I don't think you understand how it works. AT&T didn't cut Barack Obama a check. Someone in Accounts Payable didn't say "Hey let's send a $50,000 check to Obama For America".

    The donations came from the employees at these employers who willingly made donations to either the PACs affiliated with the companies, or directly to the candidates' campaigns.

    These donations did not come out of AT&T's earnings, profits, coffers, general ledger, or slush fund for parties.
    "..In its 2010 case Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, the United States Supreme Court overturned sections of the Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (also known as the McCain-Feingold Act) that had prohibited corporate and union political independent expenditures in political campaigns.[5] Citizens United made it legal for corporations and unions to spend from their general treasuries to finance independent expenditures related to campaigns, but did not alter the prohibition on direct corporate or union contributions to federal campaigns.[6][7] Organizations seeking to contribute directly to federal candidate campaigns must still rely on traditional PACs for that purpose.[8]..."

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    We can produce regulations, taxes, and provide social incentives to decrease the desire to gain such offensive levels of wealth at the expense of others.
    Sounds like a slippery slope to me.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Do you dispute the evidence?
    Well number one; it's a cut and paste article with no journalistic research or interview involved. Secondly, a number of the people quoted have an ax to grind, so yes, I dispute it.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    "..In its 2010 case Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, the United States Supreme Court overturned sections of the Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (also known as the McCain-Feingold Act) that had prohibited corporate and union political independent expenditures in political campaigns.[5] Citizens United made it legal for corporations and unions to spend from their general treasuries to finance independent expenditures related to campaigns, but did not alter the prohibition on direct corporate or union contributions to federal campaigns.[6][7] Organizations seeking to contribute directly to federal candidate campaigns must still rely on traditional PACs for that purpose.[8]..."
    Did you read the Mother Jones link that you provided earlier? It showed the breakdown of the donations from those companies that you listed. x percentage from employees, x percentage from PACs.

    Now please show me a link that shows how many checks AT&T cut directly to candidates from their coffers.

    Citizens United benefitted unions more than corporations. It allowed unions to use their members dues for political donations.

    So again, show me where corporations are taking money from their coffers and making donations directly to candidates. You can't, because "independent expenditures" are advertisements, not campaign donations.
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