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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "Crony" is a word used by losers to describe winners.
    Could be but crony capitalism has an accepted meaning that even The Economist recognizes.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "Crony" is a word used by losers to describe winners.
    You're doing an impressive job channeling your inner abusive-little-league coach.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's a difficult thing to put a number on, but the implicit agreement in an advanced society is a person doing the right thing, working a full time job and meeting some fairly low standard of competence and skill should make enough to afford the basics of life - shelter, food, healthcare, education for their children, and a tolerable retirement in their old age. Lots of jobs cannot provide those basics, and many cannot work full time, which is where safety nets come in.

    I'll just add that I don't know of anyone on the left who has a problem with massive inequality itself. In other words the problem isn't that Warren Buffett is worth $60 billion. The problem recognized even by the true elites - the plutocrats if you will - is that as productivity has risen and with it the income of the country, almost all those gains have accrued to the top, with stagnant or declining wages for the middle and below. It's unclear how social stability is maintained as the world really moves to an economy that holds great rewards for the most skilled, but where jobs done by the masses will soon be replaceable by machines on a scale I don't think we can imagine currently.
    It always assumed by the Left that the inequality is caused by the evil 1%, and not the government. Of course you won't find a govt study implicating the govt will you? Laws, especially tax laws, have consequences.....many unintended.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Could be but crony capitalism has an accepted meaning that even The Economist recognizes.
    Lucky for us the US ranks low. In this country the term is a propaganda meme, not a problem.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    It's my personal responsibility to advocate greater equality for my fellow citizens.
    No, it's your responsibility to be the best you can be for your family. You can give to charity to help the poor as best you can. Try to vote for honest politicians to the best of your ability.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I agree, that as the poor acquire more dollars, they consume more, and the owners of the means of production become rich.

    And what's the problem with that? Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
    If you're a socialist or communist, that's a bad thing.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Did you know that typically the candidate that spends the most money usually wins? What if you felt your candidate was the best candidate but a ton special interest money was spent on his or her opponent, and he or she won because of it?
    And don't forget all the opposition research and outright dirty psychological tricks. A bunch of that money will go for that. The Big Lie is a time proven technique and ALL it takes is enough money for people to hear the same lie from enough different sources and a predictable number of them will come to believe it is the truth.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Wait...I thought Harry Reid and Elizabeth Warren said the Koch Brothers were anarchists?
    Nah. They're trying to do with libertarianism what the soviet boys did with communism. Paint a pretty picture to get them in power then screw everybody thoroughly.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The difference with Koch money is that it gets spent early and often, trashing Senators like Kay Hagan, driving up their negatives.
    Meanwhile, DEMs had their collective thumbs up their asses, spending too late when minds were made up or turned off.

    Nice that DEMs felt sorry for GOPs over Christmas 2013 by not pounding them on the shutdown.
    GOPs didn't have that problem with niceties, trashing the ACA rollout over Christmas .
    It really is why we can't have nice things.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Listed by rank, here are the biggest corporate donors, excluding industry organizations (which are also funded by corporations):
    1 AT&T

    3 Goldman Sachs

    5 Citigroup

    8 United Parcel Service

    9 Altria

    13 Microsoft

    14 JPMorgan Chase

    15 Time Warner

    16 Morgan Stanley

    17 Verizon

    18 Lockheed Martin

    19 General Electric

    20 Pfizer

    Much more info is available at Capitol Hill's Top 75 Corporate Sponsors | Mother Jones
    And? I don't think you understand how it works. AT&T didn't cut Barack Obama a check. Someone in Accounts Payable didn't say "Hey let's send a $50,000 check to Obama For America".

    The donations came from the employees at these employers who willingly made donations to either the PACs affiliated with the companies, or directly to the candidates' campaigns.

    These donations did not come out of AT&T's earnings, profits, coffers, general ledger, or slush fund for parties.
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