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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Written by a right-wing rag

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    How much should the poor make? Obviously you don't want to address personal responsibility which is also a bedrock principle of the US. But let's drop that for a minute and ask how much should they make? You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always. Do you believe that we can get down to zero poor people? BTW, our poor people are way better off than the poor in Ethiopia, one of the countries discussed in the video.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    So you're comparing that to $900 million????
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Very often, yes.
    Why are you okay with that?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How much should the poor make? Obviously you don't want to address personal responsibility which is also a bedrock principle of the US. But let's drop that for a minute and ask how much should they make? You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always. Do you believe that we can get down to zero poor people? BTW, our poor people are way better off than the poor in Ethiopia, one of the countries discussed in the video.
    That's a difficult thing to put a number on, but the implicit agreement in an advanced society is a person doing the right thing, working a full time job and meeting some fairly low standard of competence and skill should make enough to afford the basics of life - shelter, food, healthcare, education for their children, and a tolerable retirement in their old age. Lots of jobs cannot provide those basics, and many cannot work full time, which is where safety nets come in.

    I'll just add that I don't know of anyone on the left who has a problem with massive inequality itself. In other words the problem isn't that Warren Buffett is worth $60 billion. The problem recognized even by the true elites - the plutocrats if you will - is that as productivity has risen and with it the income of the country, almost all those gains have accrued to the top, with stagnant or declining wages for the middle and below. It's unclear how social stability is maintained as the world really moves to an economy that holds great rewards for the most skilled, but where jobs done by the masses will soon be replaceable by machines on a scale I don't think we can imagine currently.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Why are you okay with that?
    Because that's what freedom looks like.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I agree, that as the poor acquire more dollars, they consume more, and the owners of the means of production become rich.

    And what's the problem with that? Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
    Yeah, that's what's called a functional, stable, economic system!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because that's what freedom looks like.
    Looks more like crony capitalism to me.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Looks more like crony capitalism to me.
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