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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Government can raise wages but they have no control over the unintended consequences ( actually I think Obama knows its economically detrimental to raise the minimum wage ) of arbitrary cost increases on Businesses and consumers.

    When Businesses react to the arbitrary and forced cost increases by laying off or raising the prices of their Goods snd services the left just ignores it outright, or blames it on someone else.

    When huge tax increases drive out wealth and prosperity and jobs and industries they blame it on the " free market " or the evil greedy rich.

    Lol...France elected a idiot Socialist who raised taxes on the wealthy to punitive levels. Imagine, in our highly technical world where huge amounts of wealth can be pushed around from account to account at the click of a button, Hollande actually thought these guys were going to sit there and take it.

    Whar a moron

    Progressives put value on intent, not on results. When results of their foolish initiatives DO show up they ignore the or blame someone else.

    And when those unintended consequences show up they usually wind up hurting the people rhe left pretends to represent the mist.
    Your argument seems to be "greater equality won't work because the currently advantaged will fight back."

    That strikes me as cowardice.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Charles Koch Foundation: An Income Of $34,000 Puts You In The Wealthiest 1 Percent (VIDEO)

    There's the ad, and an article on it. Feel free to interpret it as you'd like.
    How much should the poor make? Obviously you don't want to address personal responsibility which is also a bedrock principle of the US. But let's drop that for a minute and ask how much should they make? You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always. Do you believe that we can get down to zero poor people? BTW, our poor people are way better off than the poor in Ethiopia, one of the countries discussed in the video.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post




    God I love it when kids throw down the prove it crap. It underscores the abject laziness to provide for themselves.

    Union membership

    Union membership shrinks to 11.3% of workers

    14 million or so members


    How many registered Republican voters are there in the US

    55 million

    I win.

    It is not correct to claim that all Republicans agree with the Koch's agenda. Very few of them contributed to their organizations. Republicans in general have no input into the policies of the Koch funded organizations, but union members have the ability to vote for their union representatives and major policy decisions.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That is not what capitalism is.

    Capitalism is not about a select group of people financially influencing the government to write favorable legislation, and expecting taxpayers to payoff and subsidize all financial losses caused by their bad investments and business decisions.
    Interested parties always try to influence legislation. Nothing new or menacing about that.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....sorry...but cherry picking a few people that hold that opinion doesn't make it so. The concept of "liberal" media is nothing more than a creation of Fox News to justify their far-right propaganda machine.
    Keep up the denial.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Did they write the legislation like they do now, too???
    Very often, yes.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is not correct to claim that all Republicans agree with the Koch's agenda. Very few of them contributed to their organizations. Republicans in general have no input into the policies of the Koch funded organizations, but union members have the ability to vote for their union representatives and major policy decisions.
    Prove they don't. Show the link to your claims. Provide the numbers and a link to them if you know better.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What companies are making political donations to candidates out of their earnings and coffers?

    Listed by rank, here are the biggest corporate donors, excluding industry organizations (which are also funded by corporations):
    1 AT&T

    3 Goldman Sachs

    5 Citigroup

    8 United Parcel Service

    9 Altria

    13 Microsoft

    14 JPMorgan Chase

    15 Time Warner

    16 Morgan Stanley

    17 Verizon

    18 Lockheed Martin

    19 General Electric

    20 Pfizer

    Much more info is available at Capitol Hill's Top 75 Corporate Sponsors | Mother Jones

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Well as long as you were OK I guess there was never a problem. Sure glad you straightened that out.
    I was asked. I answered.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    ...You do realize before you answer that no amount will ever be enough, because as you raise their income others more wealthy will also rise up like always....
    I agree, that as the poor acquire more dollars, they consume more, and the owners of the means of production become rich.

    And what's the problem with that? Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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