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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do corporations require their employees to pay dues that are transformed into political contributions to candidates? My understanding is that union donations are paycheck deductions. I'm not aware of corporations that are deducting funds from their employees' paychecks for political contributions.
    But companies donate money/earnings to candidates that would otherwise benefit shareholders, and shareholders get the same "vote" where those donations go as union members. A majority of shareholders select board members, who appoint officers, etc.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Pot, Kettle.

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    I'm sorry...I did not see you comment on the Princeton study.

    ....so you were saying......?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But companies donate money/earnings to candidates that would otherwise benefit shareholders, and shareholders get the same "vote" where those donations go as union members. A majority of shareholders select board members, who appoint officers, etc.
    What companies are making political donations to candidates out of their earnings and coffers?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Claiming that Soros spends as much as the Kochs is not a good argument against doing something about the disproportionate amount of political influence the extremely rich can buy.
    So the Koch brothers shouldn't invest 389 million of their money into the political campaign on principle while the left welcomes their big donors? yeah right. Look, Koch brothers didn't become a bad name for the left until 2012 when the Koch brothers stopped donating to Democrats. Up to that point they played it like any other big corporation hedging their bets giving to both sides all the way up to the presidential campaigns down to the local races.

    This is the hand everyone has been dealt. Let the games begin.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What companies are making political donations to candidates out of their earnings and coffers?
    Any company making a political donation or paying for lobbyists is using its earnings for that purpose, or maybe adding to losses, same difference. I guess I don't understand the question.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, so money is only bad when Democrats spend it. Gotcha.
    No it means its hypocritical for the left to complain about the Koch brothers political donations to Republican candidates.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    So the Koch brothers shouldn't invest 389 million of their money into the political campaign on principle while the left welcomes their big donors? yeah right. Look, Koch brothers didn't become a bad name for the left until 2012 when the Koch brothers stopped donating to Democrats. Up to that point they played it like any other big corporation hedging their bets giving to both sides all the way up to the presidential campaigns down to the local races.

    This is the hand everyone has been dealt. Let the games begin.
    That's been alleged several times, and each time it has the 'left' participating in this discussion points out we're concerned about ALL big donors. We don't support a political world of dueling billionaires. Rules that apply to the Koch brothers should apply to Soros, NRA and unions, Buffett and Adelson, Gates and Dimon, etc.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Any company making a political donation or paying for lobbyists is using its earnings for that purpose, or maybe adding to losses, same difference. I guess I don't understand the question.
    You seriously don't know that say Goldman Sachs doesn't cut a check to a candidate, and that the "donations from Goldman Sachs" that are tracked and logged are donations from their employees or their PACs, and these are not funds that would otherwise have been invested back in the business or shared with the stockholders?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You seriously don't know that say Goldman Sachs doesn't cut a check to a candidate, and that the "donations from Goldman Sachs" that are tracked and logged are donations from their employees or their PACs, and these are not funds that would otherwise have been invested back in the business or shared with the stockholders?

    OMG please stop posting to me.
    You seriously don't know that corporations are not prohibited from making all manner of indirect contributions, that the case of Citizens United expressly allowed them to spend/donate unlimited sums to the Chamber of Commerce, AFP, etc. and to spend billions directly lobbying for legislation, etc.?

    BTW, I'm really not sure why you're being so rude. It's probably easier to have a civil discussion - no need to be insulting.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Choosing a President is a little more important than choosing peanut butter. We are already influenced by China and other countries over the products we purchased. Do you want to allow them to buy our Presidency as well?
    Well, money is freedom of speech, be prepared for bombardment of the air waves by the republican party. It'll be drill baby drill.

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