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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    That is a load of dung. Its a two-way corrupt slush fund. Its corruption at its worst.

    Look at the Keystone Pipeline: The unions HATE that Obama is not building it. Obama is costing them jobs on that and a host of other issues.

    Republicans are all about jobs and economy, and that can only be good for unions. The LIE the Democrats are the pro-union party is the same LIE that Democrats are pro women, pro little guy, and all that other crap.
    You're kidding, right? The GOP wants to kill unions outright, and aren't shy about saying so. My GOPer Senators and roughly the entire GOP state legislature threatened the VW plant with punitive fallout if workers voted to unionize the plant in Chattanooga, and that was even though VW management supports unions.

    BTW, your point about the unions supporting Keystone makes no sense. Yes, they do support it, so what? Obama went against them on that. How does that prove the unions are corrupt, etc?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Unions support the Keystone Pipeline...which is one project. Republicans have tried to neuter unions at every turn. If Republicans weren't so anti-union, I'm sure money would go towards them. Saying that Republicans are good for Unions is just a blatant lie. Their base (I'm assuming you as well) and the party uses anti-union rhetoric all the time.
    And then they wonder why the Unions aren't their buddies....


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Then let those people donate to the party they want to donate to.

    Right now, a union worker who votes Republican gets his money taken from him and given to Democrats. On what planet is that anywhere near acceptable?
    On the same planet where a shareholder who votes democratic gets his dividend check cut and the money given to republicans?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Why does money from the left get a pass but Koch money gets scrutiny?
    It doesn't. Those concerned about big money in our politics are concerned about ALL big money in politics.

    But that doesn't generate talking points, so it is ignored in favor of the false position that we want only republican money out.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Well since many persuasion techniques work even on those who use them in their profession, you almost certainly ARE influenced by persuasive messaging.

    Which is why its current level of use (pervasive) is of concern and why many are concerned about vast amounts of money being spent on it, above and beyond the potential for corruption that money poses.
    I don't necessarily disagree, but I also don't accept that the media should be choosing our elected officials either. And since the media long ago gave up unbiased journalism, it's left to paid TV and other paid media to get alternate messages to the public.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    Then let those people donate to the party they want to donate to.

    Right now, a union worker who votes Republican gets his money taken from him and given to Democrats. On what planet is that anywhere near acceptable?
    Those "people" did decide. Not all of Koch's employees support Republicans, and if you think there's no pressure from corporations for employees to donate to "their PAC," you're wrong. I've seen it first hand.


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
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    Then is it fair that a company to donate money to political movements that it's employees don't support?



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    Do corporations require their employees to pay dues that are transformed into political contributions to candidates? My understanding is that union donations are paycheck deductions. I'm not aware of corporations that are deducting funds from their employees' paychecks for political contributions.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, you laughed. Please show me some evidence of the Koch brothers forcing politicians to do something against their will or strictly because the Koch brothers required/demanded/bought it. I'm not aware of it.
    Its really more about getting their hand picked candidates elected. The guy they know will further their agenda.

    Look up "wealth primary". That's where money picks who we get to choose between.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Those "people" did decide. Not all of Koch's employees support Republicans, and if you think there's no pressure from corporations for employees to donate to "their PAC," you're wrong. I've seen it first hand.
    Where did you see employees getting pressured to donate to their Koch PACs? That is against the law, and if you saw it you should report it. That is a violation of election laws. The only thing that they could offer is an incentive to donate, such as a matching or even accelerated contribution to a charity of the employees' choice. But that isn't pressure.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Its really more about getting their hand picked candidates elected. The guy they know will further their agenda.

    Look up "wealth primary". That's where money picks who we get to choose between.
    And everyone doesn't want his/her candidate elected? I do. When i make a political donation, I do it because I expect the candidate will cast a vote that I would approve of.
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