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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    No, I'm a capitalist. If you've got it, spend it I say.

    The exception is the unions, because they take the money they force out of dues payers, money that should be going to help the member, and they give it to one political party that many of those dues payers do not support!! That is BAD.

    But the rich donors? That does not bother me. What bothers me is the Liberal hypocrites who are cool with Soros and Gates but think the Koch's are the devil.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Unions are people
    Then let those people donate to the party they want to donate to.

    Right now, a union worker who votes Republican gets his money taken from him and given to Democrats. On what planet is that anywhere near acceptable?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The fact that you choose to ignore evidence presented shows you are not interested in proof of any sort.
    Pot, Kettle.

    Liberals ignore every shred of evidence on every important issue there is.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    No, I'm a capitalist. If you've got it, spend it I say.
    By this definition even the Liberals you hate are capitalist. They're spending money too.

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    The exception is the unions,
    Of course there is a exception. Double standards aren't complete without them.

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    because they take the money they force out of dues payers, money that should be going to help the member, and they give it to one political party that many of those dues payers do not support!! That is BAD.
    Then is it fair that a company to donate money to political movements that it's employees don't support?

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    But the rich donors? That does not bother me. What bothers me is the Liberal hypocrites who are cool with Soros and Gates but think the Koch's are the devil.
    I'm not okay with anybody, including Unions being able to donate large sums of money to Political groups. I'm just stumped that you are so angry against hypocrites when you are so transparently hypocritical yourself.
    The GOP loves standards. They love standards so much, they got two of them.

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    I say that he [Trump] is the most honest guy to come down the pike in a very long while.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If it's not a $billion taxpayer dollars being wasted, I don't care at all, just as I don't care what anyone spends their own money on. I think $million weddings are obscene, but it's not my money so I don't really care.

    As for elections, if ads and political spending are what shapes your vote, that's too bad - mine isn't shaped by anything other than what the candidate says regarding issues I care about and how they present themselves throughout the process.
    Well since many persuasion techniques work even on those who use them in their profession, you almost certainly ARE influenced by persuasive messaging.

    Which is why its current level of use (pervasive) is of concern and why many are concerned about vast amounts of money being spent on it, above and beyond the potential for corruption that money poses.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    They want to take away your right to use local government to enact regulations:

    ALEC has long pushed bills like the “Living Wage Preemption Act" to block city, county, or local governments from enacting progressive economic initiatives like a higher minimum wage. - See more at: An Embattled ALEC, Buoyed by Election Results, Lays Blueprint for 2015 | PR Watch

    Forbidding local governments from limiting pesticide use. Environment, Energy, and Agriculture - ALEC Exposed

    The residents of Denton, Texas, had a remarkable victory over Big Oil in the midterm elections, becoming the first town in Texas to pass a ban on hydraulic fracturing, also known as fracking. But now state officials with ties to energy interests and to the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the pay-to-play corporate bill mill, are threatening to undermine local democracy by refusing to follow the ban. - See more at: ALEC and Big Oil Work to Overturn Denton Fracking Ban | PR Watch
    That isn't taking my right away. The federal government almost always supercedes the local government in important issues. I'm looking to find out what individual rights they are looking to take away from citizens.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That is incorrect. Any union member who gets involved can influence those decisions. Just voting in union elections gives members influence.
    My cousin is a steamfitter. He had to pay his dues. His union made big donations to Obama. My cousin voted for Romney. His union hall wasn't interested in his argument.

    And again, the Koch brothers aren't spending anyone else's money - are they?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, only public unions should be able to do that.
    Those of us genuinely concerned want their money out too.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Prove it. How many people support the Koch's agenda? Link?




    God I love it when kids throw down the prove it crap. It underscores the abject laziness to provide for themselves.

    Union membership

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...2012/1858705/#

    14 million or so members


    How many registered Republican voters are there in the US

    55 million

    I win.


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    That is a load of dung. Its a two-way corrupt slush fund. Its corruption at its worst.

    Look at the Keystone Pipeline: The unions HATE that Obama is not building it. Obama is costing them jobs on that and a host of other issues.

    Republicans are all about jobs and economy, and that can only be good for unions. The LIE the Democrats are the pro-union party is the same LIE that Democrats are pro women, pro little guy, and all that other crap.
    Unions support the Keystone Pipeline...which is one project. Republicans have tried to neuter unions at every turn. If Republicans weren't so anti-union, I'm sure money would go towards them. Saying that Republicans are good for Unions is just a blatant lie. Their base (I'm assuming you as well) and the party uses anti-union rhetoric all the time.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Political advertisements includes candidate's ads. I do not advocate banning advertisements. I am saying that only fools base their votes on advertisements. I want to see useful information on candidates and ballot measures made public and easier to access. For example, I would require all broadcasters to air debates with all candidates and statements from all candidates and ballot measure supporters and opponents repeatedly during a variety of times, including prime time.
    And you think that the middle voters who make up their minds 5 minutes before they walk into the polls are going to invest their evenings watching debates between local candidates.

    Anyone who wants to make an educated decision on a candidate or a ballot measure has all of the information needed right at their fingertips, between the internet and the local print media. They can even call the campaigns.

    You aren't making a persuasive argument against the money the Kochs are going to spend.
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