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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Unions represent 14.6 working Americans, the Kochs represent two people. Unions are democratic organizations. Any member can attend meetings, run for union offices etc.
    Actually, given their support, they likely represent more people than the total membership in unions you reference.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

    Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us...=top-news&_r=0

    The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

    The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
    So what you are saying is that all people are like Gruber described the liberal base and are easily swayed by advertising? I don't think the Koch Brothers pull the lever for anyone in the voting booth nor do I believe they vote on any legislation on the Congressional floor so let them spend their money. Liberals do it all the time, just ask your union leadership. You could spend billions supporting Obama or Hillary and never get my vote but then again like most Conservatives I am better informed and educated.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    After searching, it appears to be a summary of his foundation's advertising campaign against minimum wage increases, rather than a direct quote.

    Point remains, he's still anti-worker.

    Tell me more about how lowering the already poverty level minimum hourly wage will increase workers' pay.

    The Government can raise wages but they have no control over the unintended consequences ( actually I think Obama knows its economically detrimental to raise the minimum wage ) of arbitrary cost increases on Businesses and consumers.

    When Businesses react to the arbitrary and forced cost increases by laying off or raising the prices of their Goods snd services the left just ignores it outright, or blames it on someone else.

    When huge tax increases drive out wealth and prosperity and jobs and industries they blame it on the " free market " or the evil greedy rich.

    Lol...France elected a idiot Socialist who raised taxes on the wealthy to punitive levels. Imagine, in our highly technical world where huge amounts of wealth can be pushed around from account to account at the click of a button, Hollande actually thought these guys were going to sit there and take it.

    Whar a moron

    Progressives put value on intent, not on results. When results of their foolish initiatives DO show up they ignore the or blame someone else.

    And when those unintended consequences show up they usually wind up hurting the people rhe left pretends to represent the mist.
    The New Democratic Party Slogan :

    " Return to Power By Any Means Necessary "

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Liberals: Demanding the freedom to write laws to take freedoms away from people they don't agree with.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Koch brothers aren't looking to take away any of my rights that I'm aware of. What rights of yours are they looking to take away or even impede?
    They want to take away your right to use local government to enact regulations:

    ALEC has long pushed bills like the “Living Wage Preemption Act" to block city, county, or local governments from enacting progressive economic initiatives like a higher minimum wage. - See more at: An Embattled ALEC, Buoyed by Election Results, Lays Blueprint for 2015 | PR Watch

    Forbidding local governments from limiting pesticide use. Environment, Energy, and Agriculture - ALEC Exposed

    The residents of Denton, Texas, had a remarkable victory over Big Oil in the midterm elections, becoming the first town in Texas to pass a ban on hydraulic fracturing, also known as fracking. But now state officials with ties to energy interests and to the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the pay-to-play corporate bill mill, are threatening to undermine local democracy by refusing to follow the ban. - See more at: ALEC and Big Oil Work to Overturn Denton Fracking Ban | PR Watch

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Actually, given their support, they likely represent more people than the total membership in unions you reference.
    Prove it. How many people support the Koch's agenda? Link?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And...? So do the candidates' ads. Are you proposing the elimination of any advertisements?
    Political advertisements includes candidate's ads. I do not advocate banning advertisements. I am saying that only fools base their votes on advertisements. I want to see useful information on candidates and ballot measures made public and easier to access. For example, I would require all broadcasters to air debates with all candidates and statements from all candidates and ballot measure supporters and opponents repeatedly during a variety of times, including prime time.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Out of curiosity, if someone really liked "Brand X" peanut butter and decided to initiate a campaign to get more people to like the brand would you have a problem with that? What if they spent $900M to get you to change from "Brand Y" to their preferred brand?
    One of the founders of modern public relations has a quote that goes something like this:

    "Give me an unlimited budget and 100% saturation and I could get a pig elected to the white house".

    So maybe we'll see.

    And as to the second question, I would have a problem if brand "x" was poisonous and they knew full well.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If I understand Terry's point correctly, a handful of people in the Unions decide how all of their members' dues are donated. The Koch Brothers aren't spending anyone else's money. It doesn't matter if there are 2 of them or 387443756 of them. It's their money.
    That is incorrect. Any union member who gets involved can influence those decisions. Just voting in union elections gives members influence.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA
    No, I'm a capitalist. If you've got it, spend it I say.

    The exception is the unions, because they take the money they force out of dues payers, money that should be going to help the member, and they give it to one political party that many of those dues payers do not support!! That is BAD.

    But the rich donors? That does not bother me. What bothers me is the Liberal hypocrites who are cool with Soros and Gates but think the Koch's are the devil.
    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Unions put money towards pro-union candidates.... . .
    That is a load of dung. Its a two-way corrupt slush fund. Its corruption at its worst.

    Look at the Keystone Pipeline: The unions HATE that Obama is not building it. Obama is costing them jobs on that and a host of other issues.

    Republicans are all about jobs and economy, and that can only be good for unions. The LIE the Democrats are the pro-union party is the same LIE that Democrats are pro women, pro little guy, and all that other crap.

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