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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post

    And how much have thug unions spent on Democrat campaigns over the decades. . . . without the consent of the dues payers I might add?

    Yah, when its working for the Democrats they keep their yaps shut.
    But when some Republican donors come along they all start to snivel like beee-atches.
    Unions represent 14.6 working Americans, the Kochs represent two people. Unions are democratic organizations. Any member can attend meetings, run for union offices etc.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So you just assume the Koch money has forced politicians to change their vote - you have no proof of it, and your rationale is "well they spent the money!".

    Come back when you have evidence.
    The fact that you choose to ignore evidence presented shows you are not interested in proof of any sort.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why shouldn't people be swayed by political ads?
    Political advertisements offer too little information (if any), often misrepresent the facts and appeal to emotions.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    can anyone tell us what the United Autoworkers Union contributed directly to Obama in '08 and '12?

    In one forum we have outrage that the Koch's plan t spen $900 million, on another we have outrage that a possible contender for the Dipmocratic nomination is promising to end the Koch brothers ability to contribute...


    And, gee, for some reason no one is talking about Soros and his buddies, the UAW, the NEA, the civil service unions and Obama's wall street friends who made millions on the bank collapse.

    Like most things "progressive" the angst is aimed in one direction only.......
    More of the same: Shame on Soros and the Unions, good on the Kochs. News flash - if you like money being spent on politics, the same rules apply for liberal organizations as well.


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Fine, but that applies to Soros as well. Unions are people according to Citizens United, so them too.

    I'm just saying that if you like the money the Kochs are spending, complaining about Soros is rather comical.
    I agree with you here. Unions, Soros, Gwyneth Paltrow, Karl Rove's PAC, all of them are considered people. And as such, they should all get to donate what they want without criticism. I don't care who unions donate to, or who Jay-Z donates to, or who the Koch Brothers donate to. Unless everyone stops donating or being allowed to donate, and I don't see that happening.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Political advertisements offer too little information (if any), often misrepresent the facts and appeal to emotions.
    And...? So do the candidates' ads. Are you proposing the elimination of any advertisements?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Unions represent 14.6 working Americans, the Kochs represent two people. Unions are democratic organizations. Any member can attend meetings, run for union offices etc.
    If I understand Terry's point correctly, a handful of people in the Unions decide how all of their members' dues are donated. The Koch Brothers aren't spending anyone else's money. It doesn't matter if there are 2 of them or 387443756 of them. It's their money.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with you here. Unions, Soros, Gwyneth Paltrow, Karl Rove's PAC, all of them are considered people. And as such, they should all get to donate what they want without criticism. I don't care who unions donate to, or who Jay-Z donates to, or who the Koch Brothers donate to. Unless everyone stops donating or being allowed to donate, and I don't see that happening.
    I do, however, support playing a little "watch the money" sometimes. What I hate is that most of these corporations hide behind PACs with silly names like "Citizens for Good Stuff" instead of "(Insert coporation name here) supports (candidate)." I guess it's their right, but I wish they would show some stones.


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I do, however, support playing a little "watch the money" sometimes. What I hate is that most of these corporations hide behind PACs with silly names like "Citizens for Good Stuff" instead of "(Insert coporation name here) supports (candidate)." I guess it's their right, but I wish they would show some stones.
    I agree with you here. It starts to get murky, and it should be made plain.

    I'm refusing to make any PAC donations in 2016 and whatever I do decide will go directly to the candidate/candidates.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    For three years (2011 - 14) - I worked in state government here in Michigan as chief of staff for a legislator. I was not surprised that a legislator could be bought - but the surprise came in how cheap they were for sale. $500 bucks gets you a whole lot of cooperation and you move to the front of the line.
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