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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I think there is a bit of a difference between speaking out on the candidate/issue you support and throwing nearly a billion dollars to influence elections. Our 'democracy' is becoming more and more of a joke, everyday.
    Actually, the US Supreme Court rightly believes that the act of spending money is a form of free speech - very democratic.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    After searching, it appears to be a summary of his foundation's advertising campaign against minimum wage increases, rather than a direct quote.

    Point remains, he's still anti-worker.

    Tell me more about how lowering the already poverty level minimum hourly wage will increase workers' pay.
    Taken out of context, point fails.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post

    And how much have thug unions spent on Democrat campaigns over the decades. . . . without the consent of the dues payers I might add?

    Yah, when its working for the Democrats they keep their yaps shut.
    But when some Republican donors come along they all start to snivel like beee-atches.


    can anyone tell us what the United Autoworkers Union contributed directly to Obama in '08 and '12?

    In one forum we have outrage that the Koch's plan t spen $900 million, on another we have outrage that a possible contender for the Dipmocratic nomination is promising to end the Koch brothers ability to contribute...


    And, gee, for some reason no one is talking about Soros and his buddies, the UAW, the NEA, the civil service unions and Obama's wall street friends who made millions on the bank collapse.

    Like most things "progressive" the angst is aimed in one direction only.......
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yep, the Left lost its monopoly and they don't like it one bit.

    " Unions represent people " , even though if your'e in a Union you have no say how your Union dues are spent.
    You possess a fundamental misunderstanding of unions. Unions are not despotic dictators you submit to. They are organizations that are voted on by members for both contracts and representatives.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Are you upset with guys like Soros and the Koch brothers funding elections and buying our politicians?. . . .
    No, I'm a capitalist. If you've got it, spend it I say.

    The exception is the unions, because they take the money they force out of dues payers, money that should be going to help the member, and they give it to one political party that many of those dues payers do not support!! That is BAD.

    But the rich donors? That does not bother me. What bothers me is the Liberal hypocrites who are cool with Soros and Gates but think the Koch's are the devil.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Taken out of context, point fails.
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3581017

    There's the ad, and an article on it. Feel free to interpret it as you'd like.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    No, I'm a capitalist. If you've got it, spend it I say.

    The exception is the unions, because they take the money they force out of dues payers, money that should be going to help the member, and they give it to one political party that many of those dues payers do not support!! That is BAD.

    But the rich donors? That does not bother me. What bothers me is the Liberal hypocrites who are cool with Soros and Gates but think the Koch's are the devil.
    Unions put money towards pro-union candidates...just as corporations put money towards candidates that support legislation that benefits them.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Here's what you said, "Great. If there is tons of evidence of their money forcing a politician to cast a vote on legislation in a way that he wouldn't have voted without their influence, then it should be easy for you to post tons of links showing that."

    Forgetting the straw man "forcing" - either the money influences/changes votes or it doesn't. Seems self evident the money has a tremendous influence, causes recipients of big money to vote in the interests of donors, which is why sophisticated donors who travel in circles we're not part of give $billions every year, and spend $billions more in lobbying. Do you agree or not?
    So you just assume the Koch money has forced politicians to change their vote - you have no proof of it, and your rationale is "well they spent the money!".

    Come back when you have evidence.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. This may be difficult for some to grasp, but it's actually okay if people or organizations want to spend their own money on advocacy.
    Fine, but that applies to Soros as well. Unions are people according to Citizens United, so them too.

    I'm just saying that if you like the money the Kochs are spending, complaining about Soros is rather comical.


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
    No, I'm a capitalist. If you've got it, spend it I say.

    The exception is the unions, because they take the money they force out of dues payers, money that should be going to help the member, and they give it to one political party that many of those dues payers do not support!! That is BAD.

    But the rich donors? That does not bother me. What bothers me is the Liberal hypocrites who are cool with Soros and Gates but think the Koch's are the devil.
    Unions are people


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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