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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, so you're saying the Koch brothers and all the rest of the big donors, such as the FIRE sector which alone donated nearly $500 million to candidates in an off year, and the firms who spent about $3 billion in lobbying last year, in D.C. alone, are stupid and wasted all that money. Good point!
    Wow. What a stupid post. Of course i never said anything about who was stupid and who wasted money since that had nothing to do with what I posted about. But thanks for the moronic post. I needed a good laugh.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Right. Those poor oppressed conservatives.
    What Conservatives are holding the bullhorn in DC today? What Conservatives are getting what they want passed into law? Who was the strong Conservative voice that successfully opposed the passing of the ACA and Dodd-Frank?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post
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    And how much have thug unions spent on Democrat campaigns over the decades. . . . without the consent of the dues payers I might add?
    When did corporations start polling their shareholders about their lobbying and campaign contributions? I own shares - must have missed my election form which allowed me to direct contributions to politicians of my choice....

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Choosing a President is a little more important than choosing peanut butter. We are already influenced by China and other countries over the products we purchased.
    Do you want to allow them to buy our Presidency as well?


    That's basically what they intend to try to do.

    It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

    I predict that it will fail and the Democrats will keep control of the White House.

    The Koch brothers aren't the only people in this world with money.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wow. What a stupid post. Of course i never said anything about who was stupid and who wasted money since that had nothing to do with what I posted about. But thanks for the moronic post. I needed a good laugh.
    Here's what you said, "Great. If there is tons of evidence of their money forcing a politician to cast a vote on legislation in a way that he wouldn't have voted without their influence, then it should be easy for you to post tons of links showing that."

    Forgetting the straw man "forcing" - either the money influences/changes votes or it doesn't. Seems self evident the money has a tremendous influence, causes recipients of big money to vote in the interests of donors, which is why sophisticated donors who travel in circles we're not part of give $billions every year, and spend $billions more in lobbying. Do you agree or not?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Great. If there is tons of evidence of their money forcing a politician to cast a vote on legislation in a way that he wouldn't have voted without their influence, then it should be easy for you to post tons of links showing that.


    Of course our findings speak most directly to the “first
    face” of power: the ability of actors to shape policy
    outcomes on contested issues. But they also reflect—to
    some degree, at least—the “second face” of power: the
    ability to shape the agenda of issues that policy makers
    consider. The set of policy alternatives that we analyze is
    considerably broader than the set discussed seriously by
    policy makers or brought to a vote in Congress, and our
    alternatives are (on average) more popular among the
    general public than among interest groups. Thus the fate
    of these policies can reflect policy makers’ refusing to
    consider them rather than considering but rejecting them.
    (From our data we cannot distinguish between the two.)
    Our results speak less clearly to the “third face” of
    power: the ability of elites to shape the public’s
    preferences. We know that interest groups and policy
    makers themselves often devote considerable effort to
    shaping opinion. If they are successful, this might help
    explain the high correlation we find between elite and
    mass preferences. But it cannot have greatly inflated our
    estimate of average citizens’ influence on policy making,
    which is near zero.
    What do our findings say about democracy in
    America? They certainly constitute troubling news for
    advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments
    to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy
    preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our
    findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not
    in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes.

    http://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/d...litics.doc.pdf
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Written by a right-wing rag

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is there a source for that quote?
    After searching, it appears to be a summary of his foundation's advertising campaign against minimum wage increases, rather than a direct quote.

    Point remains, he's still anti-worker.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    He's for one exposing another Progressive fallacy.

    Raising the minimum wage.

    Lol....Progressive " solutions " are so one dimensional and silly. Kept simple so their core constituency can easily understand the nonsensical rhetoric.

    In the interest of " fairness " the Government is the final arbiter of who's deserving and who deserves to be targeted.

    Liberals would arbitrarily raise the minimum wage and raise cost on bussinesses in order to increase economic growth in at economy they don't understand.


    Its a contradiction. Obama pretends to understand how our economy functions and implements policies to increase " aggregate demand " and help the free market grow.

    But he's never given credibility to Free market solutions because at his core he opposes them No wonder his Green Jobs iniative was such a friken disaster.

    Its no wonder his stimulus only stimulated more debt.


    In the end doesn't care about improving our economy. His State of the Union proves that.

    He cares about creating division where none exist for the purpose of perpetuating his progressive agenda.
    Tell me more about how lowering the already poverty level minimum hourly wage will increase workers' pay.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryOfromCA View Post

    And how much have thug unions spent on Democrat campaigns over the decades. . . . without the consent of the dues payers I might add?

    Yah, when its working for the Democrats they keep their yaps shut.
    But when some Republican donors come along they all start to snivel like beee-atches.

    Yep, the Left lost its monopoly and they don't like it one bit.

    " Unions represent people " , even though if your'e in a Union you have no say how your Union dues are spent.
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    " Return to Power By Any Means Necessary "

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Right. Those poor oppressed conservatives.
    Not at all - delusions of oppression are for the weak and the left. Conservatives are self-actualizing. That's why they're proactively going out and trying to create what they want rather than sitting back and bemoaning what others are doing.
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