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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    better them than foreign scumbags like Soros or the left-wing MSNM
    The myth of the MSNM has got be one of the dumbest myths invented by the right-wing...sorry but only the biggest fools buy into that one.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Great. If there is tons of evidence of their money forcing a politician to cast a vote on legislation in a way that he wouldn't have voted without their influence, then it should be easy for you to post tons of links showing that.
    OK, so you're saying the Koch brothers and all the rest of the big donors, such as the FIRE sector which alone donated nearly $500 million to candidates in an off year, and the firms who spent about $3 billion in lobbying last year, in D.C. alone, are stupid and wasted all that money. Good point!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The myth of the MSNM has got be one of the dumbest myths invented by the right-wing...sorry but only the biggest fools buy into that one.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Citation needed.

    I would want campaign contributions to be aimed at candidates who support workers if the contributions were being made by an organization formed of and for workers.

    That's generally a position held by democrats.
    When I was having dues taken from me and donated to Democrat reelection funds I wasn't naive enough to think that my rights as a worker were being protected.

    I saw the corruption and the destructive nature of organizations that had gone unchecked for decades.

    Who cared about their own survival than the workers they claimed to represent.

    My dues were going to a organization that was losing influence because they refused to change with the times. Because they refused to adapt to a changing dynamic that they had no control over.

    They were ideologues blinded by decades old pro-Union cliches who claimed that taking from the worker and driving out industries was the only way to save the worker.

    And I hated it. What a waste of good money.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Interested parties have "been in the room" while legislation was negotiated since our Republic was founded.
    Perhaps you are comfortable of living in an oligarch, but I am not. Our politicians are supposed to represent us. That's why we vote for them in the first place. When only lobbyists are in the room and they are paying DC politicians 900 million dollars, then NOBODY in that closed room represents us or our interests during the negotiations.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    The Koch Brothers aren't all powerful as they appear to be. If I had that much money, I'd be doing the same thing and doing it better than they do. They frequently get on the wrong sides of issues, and they lose elections by backing more hard right conservatives instead of other what is considered "establishment types."

    I've always said, if they are so powerful. Why is Obama President? Why is he President from 2012 on? Let them spend their money. That's what Dems want right? You gotta spend money to keep the economy going. Right?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Perhaps you are comfortable of living in an oligarch, but I am not. Our politicians are supposed to represent us. That's why we vote for them in the first place. When only lobbyists are in the room and they are paying DC politicians 900 million dollars, then NOBODY in that closed room represents us or our interests during the negotiations.
    The great interests compete, so it's not like they all want the same thing. In the space created by their conflicts our interests are reasonably well taken care of.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The great interests compete, so it's not like they all want the same thing. In the space created by their conflicts our interests are reasonably well taken care of.
    That is not only extremely naive, it's blatantly false. Our interests were not addressed when the housing bubble was growing, when it exploded, when the lobbyist and their firms were bailed out, nor were our interests addressed or met during the recovery, or even now. The same people continue to run The Fed. Next financial melt down they will run back to DC with their hands ready for their bailouts.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    The Koch Brothers aren't all powerful as they appear to be. If I had that much money, I'd be doing the same thing and doing it better than they do. They frequently get on the wrong sides of issues, and they lose elections by backing more hard right conservatives instead of other what is considered "establishment types."

    I've always said, if they are so powerful. Why is Obama President? Why is he President from 2012 on? Let them spend their money. That's what Dems want right? You gotta spend money to keep the economy going. Right?

    I think it's a stupid investment. Spending 900 million will not guarantee a win. It could be better spent actually helping the community. It's insane how much money people spend on campaigning. Sheldon Adelson blew over 100 million on Newt, and we will continue to see people throwing in billions.

    You think these people would wise up eventually, but maybe they have too much money to care...

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That is not only extremely naive, it's blatantly false. Our interests were not addressed when the housing bubble was growing, when it exploded, when the lobbyist and their firms were bailed out, nor were our interests addressed or met during the recovery, or even now. The same people continue to run The Fed. Next financial melt down they will run back to DC with their hands ready for their bailouts.
    My interests were addressed just fine. Of course I had not over borrowed. When the bubble burst and interest rates fell I was able to refinance twice and now pay a historically low rate. I retired from one career in 2009 and took up another in 2010. Doing just fine. I don't see the problem.
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