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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Unfortunately the people who make up the Uninformed Gullible Middle are the ones that decide the outcome of elections.
    We do have them to thank for twice sending the current President to the White House.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Out of curiosity, if someone really liked "Brand X" peanut butter and decided to initiate a campaign to get more people to like the brand would you have a problem with that? What if they spent $900M to get you to change from "Brand Y" to their preferred brand?
    Does Brand X peanut butter have control over our nation's laws?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The Uniformed Gullible Middle are the ones most influenced by campaign advertising.
    And they are sometimes swayed by one candidate's message, and sometimes by another. What's wrong with that? Are you saying that they shouldn't vote because they're "uninformed" and "gullible"?

    Funny, I remember seeing clips of people thinking that Obama was going to save the world, and that they wouldn't have to worry about paying their mortgages anymore, and that they'd get great jobs, and get off welfare, and there would be no more blue states and red states, and everyone would get to keep their doctors, and there would be racial harmony all over, as long as they cast their votes for Obama. Which were they - uninformed, or gullible?

    In other words, it happens all the time - and if the Koch PAC were likely to donate to politicians whose views you supported, I doubt you'd be so concerned about the "uninformed" and "gullible" middle voters.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Citizens United is clearly one of the worst decisions by the Supreme Court in history. It essentially legalizes bribery. This democracy is dead.
    Agreed- Money talks.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If they're spending the money legally, more power to them. People should be happy that an individual is shoveling almost a $billion into the economy, employing scads of Americans in the process, and not squirreling it away in some offshore account or employing peons in India to answer phones.
    Yeah, why oppose domestic campaign spending that would ultimately put politicians in office who will proceed to send more jobs overseas?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    They certainly believe, based on tons of evidence, money does have an effect on legislative outcomes. I would also guess people at that level have a lot better grasp than I do of whether their nearly $billion in contributions have an effect or not, and this year they're committed to spending more than they did last cycle.
    Great. If there is tons of evidence of their money forcing a politician to cast a vote on legislation in a way that he wouldn't have voted without their influence, then it should be easy for you to post tons of links showing that.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That said, Canada is going to go through a federal election this year and by comparison, our election law limits 3rd party spending to $200,000 and we can't stand the number of ads we get subjected to. I can't imagine the pain suffered by Americans in this regard. And I don't for a minute think the amount of money matters so much as the impact of the message.
    It doesn't matter how good of a message you have if the other guy has a bullhorn.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thoughts are if you have it to spend, go for it. It's their money to spend as they see fit. I can't imagine spending that kind of money on politics but then again I'm sure they wouldn't understand everything I spend my money on either.
    Difference is, how you spend your money doesn't affect the average citizen. Their money is intended to have a HUGE impact on our rights.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It worked for Obama.

    Hmm. The money looked pretty even to me. Of course, Obama got his from a whole lot more donors then Romney. I guess his product appealed to a lot more people

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