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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't say voters - I said "votes" and I thought it was clear from the context I was talking about legislative votes.

    In Kansas, what you now KNOW is if you are a legislator and vote against AFP, you'll get a flood of money spent against you in the next election. The example I quoted was a "moderate" GOPer who only voted with Brownback 90% of the time. Normal elections cost him about $40,000. After voting against Brownback on taxes, he faced $200,000 spent against him - five times normal.

    If you can't acknowledge that kind of implicit threat against anyone voting against AFP interests acts as a powerful influence on votes by LEGISLATORS, you're trying hard to miss the point.
    If you were talking about legislative votes, your article still has nothing to do with it. The article presented no evidence that the Koch brothers influence politicians to the point that politicians vote against their will because the Koch brothers force them to.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    And I appreciate that you see what you want to see. I also note that much of it departs from reality (because as we know, reality has a well known liberal bias).
    LOL.

    Please.

    Let's take a quick sampling.

    Koch Brothers - NY Times

    The Kochs are longtime opponents of campaign disclosure laws. Unlike the parties, their network is constructed chiefly of nonprofit groups that are not required to reveal donors. That makes it almost impossible to tell how much of the money is provided by the Kochs — among the wealthiest men in the country — and how much by other donors.

    Soros - NY Times

    George Soros, the retired hedge fund billionaire and longtime patron of liberal causes, will invest $2.5 million in the effort, officials involved with the plan said. His participation is a signal that some of the wealthy donors who arrived late to the Democrats’ “super PAC” efforts in 2012 are committing early for the next round.

    Details of the effort were presented this week at a Washington conference of the Democracy Alliance, a coalition of some of the country’s biggest liberal givers, which works to steer money and to coordinate political work among advocacy groups. Mr. Soros and other alliance donors were early investors in Catalist, and many of the groups funded by the alliance now buy data from it.

    Hmmm. Any mention of the vast array of non profits his Democracy Alliance funds? Any mention of the closed door meetings they hold?

    At a glance, Mr. Soros, a hedge fund manager who has helped finance “super PACs" and collaborated with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, does not fit the typical profile of a supporter for Mr. de Blasio, who has pledged to raise taxes on the wealthy and turn back Bloomberg administration policies and who is a frequent critic of unrestricted political spending.

    Mr. Soros, a "hedge fund manager"? LOL. Any mention of his global Open Society Institute?


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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Who's spending $900 billion?
    oops my bad, fixed!
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    People should not be happy that a billion dollars is being wasted on promoting cynicism, primarily in a handful of swing districts to promote and maintain the interests of a billionaire plutocracy.
    Lol....

    The Unions lose their decades old monopoly when it comes to massive campaign contributions , political influence and lobbying and its the end of our Democracy.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm right there with you UR. I suppose that is why I'm intrigued by the idea of limiting the actual campaign time a candidate can run. However, as you can imagine, I'm not a big advocate for more government control, so I don't know how outside groups could be stopped from advocating a cause a candidate would then endorse later.

    Again, for me, this leads me back to spending all they want, and let the voters decide. After all, in the end, only a small portion of the population cares enough to determine the course of government anyway.
    I'm similar minded in wanting as little government limitations on free speech, especially political speech, but I'm convinced that access to speech is an issue. If access to capital determines access to speech there needs to be some sort of moderator to determine that all voices have opportunity.

    I don't want to be influenced by the loudest voices, I want to be influenced by the most valuable voices.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol....

    The Unions lose their decades old monopoly when it comes to massive campaign contributions , political influence and lobbying and its the end of our Democracy.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by d head View Post
    Some say that, under the Citizens United ruling that unions contribute more to Democrats than the Kochs do to republicans, while others say that the Kochs are buying up our democracy in bigger numbers.
    Fact is that they are about a wash, canceling each other out.
    Kochs=two people
    Unions=14.6 million people*

    *Union Members Summary

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Lol....thats right.

    The untold amounts of donations to the Democrat party and to Obamas re-election camapign came from unnamed sources.

    You guys just get a little nervous when you lose your monopolies and Unions have been corrupting the Democratic process for decades.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Kochs=two people
    Unions=14.6 million people*

    *Union Members Summary
    Bull, the Unions donate to and support the Democrat Party and have been for decades.

    The last Union I was in didn't ask me wether or not I wanted my Union dues to go to a Conservative or Progressive candidate.

    They took it upon their selves to make that decision for me.

    Face it, you guys lost your monopoly and now all you can do is hypocritically complain about political donations coming from large private organizations.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm similar minded in wanting as little government limitations on free speech, especially political speech, but I'm convinced that access to speech is an issue. If access to capital determines access to speech there needs to be some sort of moderator to determine that all voices have opportunity.

    I don't want to be influenced by the loudest voices, I want to be influenced by the most valuable voices.
    Do you think there can be trust in people to discern the difference, or will it just be the loudest that gets the attention?

    For example, one argument against limited campaign time is it favors loud over content.

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