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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You should read the articles. You wouldn't look so foolish if you had.

    There is certainly no similarity between the Koch Brothers expose, and those you've identified, which was the point of the post you responded to.

    I would not expect there to be any similarity from the ubber liberal NY Times, but dang 3G, you're going to need some bleach to clean this one off.
    It wasn't an 'expose', it was a pretty straight news story. So are the ones on Soros.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    I remember all those republicans like shelden anderson that spent money to deny obama a 2nd term. Money well spent.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Of course it's not - it's lobbying for low cost, disposable labor, which will effectively drive down wages across the scale. And it makes my point - any alignment of interests between the poor (to the extent there is one on immigration and that's doubtful) and the Fortune 500 is merely coincidental.



    I'm really not sure why you have to make the issue so partisan. Take any big state and there are conservative influences on what goes into the textbooks.

    And any start has to be to get back to limits on political spending, public financing, greater sunlight on political donors, available in real time, etc. There is no ONE solution, but the road we're on is, IMO, a guarantee of plutocracy - selling our legislators to the highest bidder. Not just legislators - the judiciary as well.
    You see, that is what I mean by questioning what you're driving at. You see enslavement, and I see excusing illegals for political favor.

    As to your point about being partisan, I'm not. I'm using examples I am familiar with of extreme partisan behavior to illustrate the challenge of trying to regulate only one part of it. I don't see how the government puts a stop to it all. So let the arena of public opinion decide. A money free for all.

    I will say something must be done to get groups like Annenberg out of public education, or alternatively, allow conservative groups equal access into it. Reverse the rolls, and liberals would be screaming bloody murder, as they already have. In my kingdom, neither would have access to public education. The 3 R's. Know them.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I certainly agree. However, it seems to get there, we need muckrakers, pundits, and professional spin artists. I can be informed, and you can be informed, but we are rare birds. The rest might have a hard time identifying Florida on a map, so the circus continues.
    I'm perhaps more cynical about the amount of "informing" political campaigns actually do. I've rarely heard much deep political theory espoused in campaign ads.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It wasn't an 'expose', it was a pretty straight news story. So are the ones on Soros.
    I appreciate you see what you want to see.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm perhaps more cynical about the amount of "informing" political campaigns actually do. I've rarely heard much deep political theory espoused in campaign ads.
    I'm right there with you UR. I suppose that is why I'm intrigued by the idea of limiting the actual campaign time a candidate can run. However, as you can imagine, I'm not a big advocate for more government control, so I don't know how outside groups could be stopped from advocating a cause a candidate would then endorse later.

    Again, for me, this leads me back to spending all they want, and let the voters decide. After all, in the end, only a small portion of the population cares enough to determine the course of government anyway.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    You know, I don't recall the NY Times ever doing any similar stories about George Soros when he was the multi-million dollar sugar daddy for the democrats during the Bush Administration, does anyone else? As a matter of fact, Soros still to this day pours millions and millions into democratic political organisations, so I wonder when we'll be seeing the times story on him?

    The phrases "Fat chance" and "When hell freezes over" for some odd reason just popped into my head.

    Maybe it's just me but there is a difference, between 100 million and 900 million, no?

    I think both amounts are excessive but one seems to be a hell of a lot more. Does it bother you when Soros donates but not Koch brothers?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I appreciate you see what you want to see.
    And I appreciate that you see what you want to see. I also note that much of it departs from reality (because as we know, reality has a well known liberal bias).
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I remember all those republicans like shelden anderson that spent money to deny obama a 2nd term. Money well spent.
    I remember all those democrats that spent money to deny the republicans the Senate majority. Money well spent.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Maybe it's just me but there is a difference, besides a letter, between 100 million and 900 billion, no?

    I think both amounts are excessive but one seems to be a hell of a lot more. Does it bother you when Soros donates but not Koch brothers?
    Who's spending $900 billion?
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