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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Again. You're in the wrong country. I think you could become more fulfilled in a country more in keeping with your vision.
    There are probably better fits out there, but I figure it's more convenient to change the hearts and minds of this one than to have to register a forwarding address down at the post office.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    There are probably better fits out there, but I figure it's more convenient to change the hearts and minds of this one than to have to register a forwarding address down at the post office.
    You know, Rome wasn't built in a day, so I admire your tenacity.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I was talking about influence on politicians, not influence on the voters. Pay attention to my posts.
    I didn't say voters - I said "votes" and I thought it was clear from the context I was talking about legislative votes.

    In Kansas, what you now KNOW is if you are a legislator and vote against AFP, you'll get a flood of money spent against you in the next election. The example I quoted was a "moderate" GOPer who only voted with Brownback 90% of the time. Normal elections cost him about $40,000. After voting against Brownback on taxes, he faced $200,000 spent against him - five times normal.

    If you can't acknowledge that kind of implicit threat against anyone voting against AFP interests acts as a powerful influence on votes by LEGISLATORS, you're trying hard to miss the point.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Can I assume you are equally concerned about the big money influence on the left as well?
    I can't speak for SheWolf, but I don't want to live in a plutocracy, with elections decided by dueling billionaires.

    Does big money from either side concern you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why would public financing be the answer?
    and how would it be structured to prevent abuse?
    Each candidate would receive a certain amount of public funds to be allowed to spend for their campaign. They would be allowed to spend the funds as they want but have to account for the use of the funds and could not exceed it.

    Another way that you could do it, is you could allow a certain number of mailers, print advertising and TV advertising.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Each candidate would receive a certain amount of public funds to be allowed to spend for their campaign. They would be allowed to spend the funds as they want but have to account for the use of the funds and could not exceed it.

    Another way that you could do it, is you could allow a certain number of mailers, print advertising and TV advertising.
    One thing that might be a step in the right direction is that candidates have 30 days to campaign. Of course, the same problems crop up, but at least the bulk of the spending is limited to those 30 days.

    The greater question is how to remove the special interest groups from pushing the greater agenda? Annenberg Trust, a member of the Progressive Machine, has access to our nations public schools through it's Annenberg Learner program. The NEA, the national teachers union, has it's Director as the head of the mighty Democracy Alliance, which is the central core of the Progressive Machine.

    AFSCME is another massive public union spender pushing Progressive agenda's and backing liberal/progressive candidates. The SEIU is also similarly spending and affiliated. While their dues may be collected from the individual government employees, it's the taxpayers who are providing the money. How does this spending get accounted for?



    How do these ongoing enterprises get removed from equation?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    One thing that might be a step in the right direction is that candidates have 30 days to campaign. Of course, the same problems crop up, but at least the bulk of the spending is limited to those 30 days.

    The greater question is how to remove the special interest groups from pushing the greater agenda? Annenberg Trust, a member of the Progressive Machine, has access to our nations public schools through it's Annenberg Learner program. The NEA, the national teachers union, has it's Director as the head of the mighty Democracy Alliance, which is the central core of the Progressive Machine.

    AFSCME is another massive public union spender pushing Progressive agenda's and backing liberal/progressive candidates. The SEIU is also similarly spending and affiliated. While their dues may be collected from the individual government employees, it's the taxpayers who are providing the money. How does this spending get accounted for?

    How do these ongoing enterprises get removed from equation?
    It's so sad that poor conservatives don't exert influence anywhere.... The system is rigged!

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's so sad that poor conservatives don't exert influence anywhere.... The system is rigged!
    LOL. Conservatives certainly have much to learn about the impressive effort of Progressives and the propaganda machine they have created to spread their ideological agenda.

    That's why at the end of the day I don't have a problem with Citizens United, or spending on any level. The more the merrier. It's a good stimulus, and a whole bunch of people get employed, and businesses get a big influx of dollars.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. Conservatives certainly have much to learn about the impressive effort of Progressives and the propaganda machine they have created to spread their ideological agenda.
    More likely is you don't know or care about the many ways conservatives "spread their ideological agenda."

    Just as one example, how many lobbyists are in D.C. and state houses right now pushing for the interests of inner city poor people. When you get that answer, figure out how many are in D.C. and statehouses paid for by business interests to advance their agenda. I'm guessing the ratio is 1-100 or so, maybe 1-1,000.

    That's why at the end of the day I don't have a problem with Citizens United, or spending on any level. The more the merrier. It's a good stimulus, and a whole bunch of people get employed, and businesses get a big influx of dollars.
    If I thought my interests aligned with the billionaires, I wouldn't have a problem with the rising costs of elections and the domination of the process by a relatively few mega donors in many races. But I know any overlap between our interests and theirs is purely coincidental.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    More likely is you don't know or care about the many ways conservatives "spread their ideological agenda."

    Just as one example, how many lobbyists are in D.C. and state houses right now pushing for the interests of inner city poor people. When you get that answer, figure out how many are in D.C. and statehouses paid for by business interests to advance their agenda. I'm guessing the ratio is 1-100 or so, maybe 1-1,000.


    If I thought my interests aligned with the billionaires, I wouldn't have a problem with the rising costs of elections and the domination of the process by a relatively few mega donors in many races. But I know any overlap between our interests and theirs is purely coincidental.
    To what do you base your estimate on lobbists? Please provide proof that you're even remotely in the ball park. Also, please provide the basis for their lobbying efforts. Do you think the SEIU is lobbying for business interests? How about the AFL-CIO? A cursory review of the White House guest log indicates your estimates are not very accurate. I would suspect the same holds true on Capitol Hill.

    The fact of the matter is that this spending would be very difficult to regulate. While I can bitch about the offensive nature of the Annenberg Learner program being used in public education, it's up to the parents to stop such efforts by these groups. I think they are too disinterested to do so, and appear in many states to be willing to turn the parenting over to the government.

    So, that being the case, let the money flow. It's not just from billionaires, as your meme suggests, it's from all directions. They are not putting the money in a pile and burning it, they are spending it on ways they think will influence people towards support of their cause. Even the losers see their money being spent, so what's to worry about?

    Frankly, if you tracked ALL the money, Liberal/Progressives should be quiet about reform, since they are way ahead of the game.

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