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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see, so you have no problem with Union money going in, just that the Koch brothers make a statement of their supposed plans, and you get all frothed up....Man you libs are easy.
    What I pointed out is a union represents thousands or tens of thousands of individuals. I have no more, or less, problem with union money than I do with NRA money or AARP money.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    First of all, the Koch brothers aren't morons, so they KNOW their money buys an immense amount of influence. It defies logic to pretend those kinds of sums don't. But here's one example, since you asked:

    Kansas Governor Race: Brownback Faces GOP Ire - Business Insider
    What does that article do to prove that the Koch brothers influenced politicians to do something against their will?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    excellent point
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    I agree it has gone very wrong in many ways. When we start devolving to placate the voices of mediocrity, we lose sight of the greatness in people who embrace the opportunities that are responsible for this Nations success.

    I share you desire that he sticks around, so he can learn what it takes to achieve success, rather than champion what to take away, so some people can feel better.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What does that article do to prove that the Koch brothers influenced politicians to do something against their will?
    You're right, knowing that the last republicans who crossed AFP and only voted 90% with Brownback saw the money against them balloon to $200,000 in the next election doesn't have any influence at all on votes....

    Give me a break. You have to be willingly naive to believe that kind of money doesn't influence votes and get results. The Koch brothers and their allies know better. Unless you think they're stupid. Is that what you think?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Straw man alert!!

    Big 'money' from the left is just as dangerous as big money from right wingers. I don't want to live in a world where the politics is a game of dueling $billionaires, do you? And I think if you polled liberals, the large majority would support sharply limited contributions from all sides, perhaps publicly financed elections, support for a repeal of Citizens United, etc. I've read few to none on the left who are comfortable with ANYONE dumping $900 million into the political process because we know that any alignment of our interests with those of the billionaires is purely coincidental.
    I couldn't agree more. It's also alarming how they get involved even in small town elections. Like this example: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/us...anted=all&_r=0

    Tim Phillips, the national president of Americans for Prosperity, said the organization could have a real effect on local races, where it does not have to deal with all the Washington special interests.

    The main reason “we fight local issue battles is because they result in good policy outcomes, generally promoting economic freedom via less taxes, less government spending,” he said.

    But here, in this town of fewer than 20,000 residents, the group has not been so welcome, and the nonpartisan campaign has become an informal referendum on the involvement of outsiders.

    Even residents who agree with Americans for Prosperity’s core argument — that the city’s debt is out of control — question the group’s motives for wading into the race. That has forced the candidates who share the group’s beliefs to keep the organization at a distance.

    Chris Turner, a first-time candidate for the City Council who has spoken out against the debt, said that although he disagreed with Americans for Prosperity on most issues, he could not seem to catch a break because his campaign platform aligns with the organization.

    “Every time I go to a debate or anything, I’ve tried talking about the budget, and then they just go, ‘Koch brothers, Koch brothers, Koch brothers,’ ” he said of his critics, adding that he wished Americans for Prosperity “would just go away.”
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Absolutely. Campaign reform needs to happen due to abuses on both sides of the aisle. I've never made the claim that Republicans alone are to blame. We need all big money out of our elections to restore the integrity of our election process. I've advocated for public financing of our elections for the last two decades.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely. Campaign reform needs to happen due to abuses on both sides of the aisle. I've never made the claim that Republicans alone are to blame. We need all big money out of our elections to restore the integrity of our election process. I've advocated for public financing of our elections for the last two decades.
    why would public financing be the answer?
    and how would it be structured to prevent abuse?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're right, knowing that the last republicans who crossed AFP and only voted 90% with Brownback saw the money against them balloon to $200,000 in the next election doesn't have any influence at all on votes....

    Give me a break. You have to be willingly naive to believe that kind of money doesn't influence votes and get results. The Koch brothers and their allies know better. Unless you think they're stupid. Is that what you think?
    I was talking about influence on politicians, not influence on the voters. Pay attention to my posts.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why would public financing be the answer?

    and how would it be structured to prevent abuse?
    I don't think anyone believes public financing is THE answer, just an improvement from the current system. Thanks to recent SC rulings, communities cannot limit outside spending, so the big money will flow in when it suits the big donors. But at least public financing gives candidates without that kind of support a reasonable chance to fund a credible campaign. Nothing can do much more than that.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They are not spending 900 million in a advertisement campaign for their private company, they are putting up 900 billion to lobby and buy off politicians. If they wanted to put in a crony capitalist who would destroy the free market and give the Koch's a monopoly on the market and picking politicians, the current system actually has the potential to give them the power to do that.
    Can I assume you are equally concerned about the big money influence on the left as well?

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