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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And they do this due to their love for their country. Thoughts are?

    Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us...=top-news&_r=0

    The political network overseen by the conservative billionaires Charles G. and David H. Koch plans to spend close to $900 million on the 2016 campaign, an unparalelled effort by outside groups to shape a presidential election that is already on track to be the most expensive in history.

    The goal, revealed Monday at the Kochs’ annual winter donor retreat near Palm Springs, Calif., would effectively allow their political organization to operate at the same financial scale as the Democratic and Republican parties. In the last presidential election, the Republican National Committee and the party’s two congressional campaign committees spent a total of $657 million.
    Cool. Talk about stimulus. Think of all those businesses around the country that will benefit. The radio stations, the printers, office personnel. Sounds like a great opportunity for people to benefit.

    When NY Times gets honest enough to also print the spending plans of the Democracy Alliance, Tides Foundation, Ford Foundation, NEA, SEIU, AFL-CIO, Annenberg Trust, Knight Foundation, Open Society Institute, the Bauman Foundation, the Angelica Foundation, and a mountain of other liberal/progressive machine members and supporters, we can get a better picture of all the political stimulus planned for the upcoming elections.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

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    Why a private island? To be totally reclusive?
    No, to own an island where I can fly my friends and my family and spend time in the sun whenever we want, and to watch my kids play in the sea without a lifeguard corralling them into a small space, and to enjoy cocktails on the beach whenever I want. Why do you assume I'm morose and reclusive?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Goodness, that's so obviously wrong in 100 different ways. They can issue a credible threat against every office holder - vote with us, or we WILL dump $10s of thousands, millions, whatever it takes into the race against you. There are few with that kind of power who have demonstrated their willingness to exercise it.
    Super.

    So post some specific examples of them doing this.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah. And when Apple sells you an iPod, how, exactly, is Steve Jobs exploiting you?
    Apple is:

    a) exploiting a monopoly they have on a product.

    b) exploiting their development of technology

    c) exploiting their access to manufacturing

    d) exploiting the Chinese labor that makes them

    e) exploiting their market access

    In other words, I can't easily build a device that contains music. Apple exploits this. Very profitably, apparently.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    We can produce regulations, taxes, and provide social incentives to decrease the desire to gain such offensive levels of wealth at the expense of others.
    I understand that is where your ideology takes you. However, the problem is, you're in the wrong country to achieve that goal. The United States did not achieve it's greatness because it put regulations and taxes in place to decrease the desire to gain levels of wealth that other people may take exception to. It, in fact, achieved what is has because it provides the opportunity for people to naturally seek the best they can become.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I understand that is where your ideology takes you. However, the problem is, you're in the wrong country to achieve that goal. The United States did not achieve it's greatness because it put regulations and taxes in place to decrease the desire to gain levels of wealth that other people may take exception to. It, in fact, achieved what is has because it provides the opportunity for people to naturally seek the best they can become.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And how much money did the Koch network pour into that election? Scott Walker wasn't outspent.

    Furthermore, at least a union contribution represents thousands or tens of thousands of individuals. Koch money is two guys and a handful of their wealthy cronies.

    Finally, it's not whether the Koch network money will back the winning candidate in every election. That's not the point. What is does is guarantee that politicians considering a vote decide if it's worth it, if their career can withstand, a full on frontal assault of Koch money in the next election.
    I see, so you have no problem with Union money going in, just that the Koch brothers make a statement of their supposed plans, and you get all frothed up....Man you libs are easy.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Again. You're in the wrong country. I think you could become more fulfilled in a country more in keeping with your vision.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Again. You're in the wrong country. I think you could become more fulfilled in a country more in keeping with your vision.
    excellent point
    our country has gone very wrong in many ways
    hope he sticks around to improve it to become a greater, better nation that cares for more than privilege
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Super.

    So post some specific examples of them doing this.
    First of all, the Koch brothers aren't morons, so they KNOW their money buys an immense amount of influence. It defies logic to pretend those kinds of sums don't. But here's one example, since you asked:

    Kansas Governor Race: Brownback Faces GOP Ire - Business Insider

    The campaigns were unlike anything Kansas state races had ever seen. Groups like the Kansas Chamber of Commerce and Americans for Prosperity, backed by the Wichita-native Koch brothers (who have become a chief Democratic villain in this year's elections), helped rocket campaign spending to record levels.

    Dick Kelsey, a former state senator who says he voted with Brownback more than 90% of the time while in the Senate, said he typically spent about $35,000 to $40,000 on his re-election campaigns.

    During the 2012 race, he said, the spending against him reached more than $200,000.

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