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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I see such wealth disparity as evidence they've already been exploiting the population.
    Ah. And when Apple sells you an iPod, how, exactly, is Steve Jobs exploiting you?

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Something other than throwing it away?
    I don't play with any regularity, but large jackpots, eh, I'll throw a buck at them....Who knows? People often spend on entertainment like raffles, bingo, even casino's....Its all in fun....If it is something more then that is a problem, but for me? I throw a buck at it....Who cares?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If it's not a $billion taxpayer dollars being wasted, I don't care at all, just as I don't care what anyone spends their own money on. I think $million weddings are obscene, but it's not my money so I don't really care.

    As for elections, if ads and political spending are what shapes your vote, that's too bad - mine isn't shaped by anything other than what the candidate says regarding issues I care about and how they present themselves throughout the process.
    It's not about what the spending does to our individual votes (Koch money to a candidate nearly guarantees I vote for someone else), it's the prospect that two individuals can so heavily influence the outcomes of many elections. I can't imagine anyone who believes in democracy not having concerns about that level of spending and influence.

    And that kind of money, as vast as it is, understates the influence it has. If you're an elected official and are considering a vote against the interests of the Koch brothers, what you know is you will be buried under a pile of shiate at your next primary, and next general if necessary, OR you can vote with them and life is normal. So they'll have vast influence even in elections in which they don't spend a dime.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nope. There's no evidence that they hold any more power than anyone else in this country when it comes to influencing politicians.
    Goodness, that's so obviously wrong in 100 different ways. They can issue a credible threat against every office holder - vote with us, or we WILL dump $10s of thousands, millions, whatever it takes into the race against you. There are few with that kind of power who have demonstrated their willingness to exercise it.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Goodness, that's so obviously wrong in 100 different ways. They can issue a credible threat against every office holder - vote with us, or we WILL dump $10s of thousands, millions, whatever it takes into the race against you. There are few with that kind of power who have demonstrated their willingness to exercise it.
    Did that work against Walker in Wisconsin, when Unions stepped in and swamped the elections there with massive money? I'd say no.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Why does money from the left get a pass but Koch money gets scrutiny?
    Straw man alert!!

    Big 'money' from the left is just as dangerous as big money from right wingers. I don't want to live in a world where the politics is a game of dueling $billionaires, do you? And I think if you polled liberals, the large majority would support sharply limited contributions from all sides, perhaps publicly financed elections, support for a repeal of Citizens United, etc. I've read few to none on the left who are comfortable with ANYONE dumping $900 million into the political process because we know that any alignment of our interests with those of the billionaires is purely coincidental.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Did that work against Walker in Wisconsin, when Unions stepped in and swamped the elections there with massive money? I'd say no.
    And how much money did the Koch network pour into that election? Scott Walker wasn't outspent.

    Furthermore, at least a union contribution represents thousands or tens of thousands of individuals. Koch money is two guys and a handful of their wealthy cronies.

    Finally, it's not whether the Koch network money will back the winning candidate in every election. That's not the point. What is does is guarantee that politicians considering a vote decide if it's worth it, if their career can withstand, a full on frontal assault of Koch money in the next election.

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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    We need to sit you down and show you how terrible the odds are.
    I already figured it out. I know that I have a better chance of hitting the progressive jackpot in a slot machine. But when I pass those billboards that scream $490 MILLION, what's a girl to do?
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You don't think a person who puts $900 million into political campaigns has more influence than you do!?
    I don't have any influence at all. All I can do is vote for the candidate whose ideas most closely align with mine. That's what I always do. That's what the Koch brothers do, and what the unions do, and what the youth do, and what women do, and what the NRA does, and what unions do, and what blacks do, and so on.
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    Re: Kochs Plan to Spend $900 Million on 2016 Campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Good point. But we can't go around telling people they have to limit their income.
    We can produce regulations, taxes, and provide social incentives to decrease the desire to gain such offensive levels of wealth at the expense of others.

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