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On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E.

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Well whaddya know.....Diane Feinstein with McCain are out publicly challenging BO and his mental issues of his ideology. This is indeed a good day to Start a Monday. Another Democrat telling BO how he has got it wrong. What say ye?




Two influential senators are calling on President Barack Obama to send more U.S. ground troops to hotspots around the Middle East.

The suggestion by Republican John McCain and Democrat Dianne Feinstein is a direct challenge to the president, who has said he doesn’t want to increase the U.S. military presence in Yemen despite the deteriorating security condition in that country.

Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, says the U.S. needs more human intelligence in the region and to not rely so heavily on intelligence gathered by technical means.....snip~

On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In Middle East « CBS San Francisco



Maybe because I'm old, and have seen this crap before, but we're seeing another Vietnam in the making here.

McCain — a Republican who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee — and Feinstein tell CBS’ “Face the Nation” that special operations forces in particular may be necessary to blunt Iranian influence in Yemen and elsewhere.

In 1961 they were called "advisers" when they were CIA trained operatives. They change the names so we forget. It always starts with some recognized names in political circles, but the end result is the same...

Only now the media doesn't show you the body bags.....
 
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The U.S. cannot afford to let jihadist war criminals who are our sworn enemies shelter among civilian populations. I do not believe a few thousand jihadists can have terrorized several hundred thousand or even a million "friendly" people in a city into supporting them. A much more likely explanation is that a good part of the population of cities like Raqqa and Mosul and Ramadi sides with them, more or less.

Since even before 9/11, both the U.S. government and many people here and in the West have been determined to deny the fact that a great many people in the Arab world--the masses so many Americans comfort themselves by thinking of as good, friendly Muslims--feel some sympathy with jihad. That willful blindness often shows itself as the claim that jihadism is a perversion of true Islam.

But the fact people who say this are desperate to deny is that many of the horrors the jihadists engage in are authorized by the most orthodox Islamic texts. Anyone who doubts that should look through [/I]Reliance of the Traveler,[/I] the 14th century text that is as authoritative and detailed a statement of the rules of shari'ah as there is. It may not specifically call for two men accused of homosexual acts to be pushed off a tall building in Mosul, as was done the other day--but it calls for them to be put to death just the same.

I recently read that a journalist who had spent time among the jihadists operating in Syria and Iraq reported that they hoped to kill hundreds of millions of unbelievers. Fanatics like that cannot be reasoned with, or allowed to survive and grow in power. Every day they seem to be succeeding, the prestige of the U.S. suffers, and their ability to recruit followers increases. Mr. Obama's half-measures have saved Baghdad from being overrun--but that's about it. A couple carrier-based jets patrol here or there over Iraq, occasionally dropping a bomb or firing a missile, or now and then a drone destroys someone's car, or a cruise missile blows up some structure--and those pinpricks are sold as making war on the enemy.

In Syria, these people have gotten even stronger since the U.S. first bombed them late last summer. This administration's weak and haphazard foreign policy has allowed Libya to devolve into a failed state and hotbed of Islamic jihad--another Somalia. It is only despite Mr. Obama's efforts that Gen. Sisi now rules in Egypt, and Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood candidate Obama favored, is gone. Thanks to his disastrous policy, U.S. influence in Yemen--a very important theater in the war against Islamic jihadists--apparently has now been lost. If not for the efforts of Chad and Cameroon, jihadists would be expanding their influence in Nigeria even further. And in the background, the greatest threat of all to this country continues to grow, as Iran keeps moving steadily toward manufacturing nuclear weapons.

I don't disagree with what you've posted - that doesn't change the fact that a ground force of Americans or Coalition forces would have a very difficult time entering a city, like Mosul as an example, and clearing out the ISIS fanatics, leaving the friendlies alone, and leaving the city in any sense of repair such that it would be inhabitable going forward. This must be done, with our assistance, by Iraq troops, Kurdish troops, in the area who readily know who to trust and who not to trust.

There are tens of thousands of ISIS troops that have been marauding around the area the past year and if the American and Coalition forces can bomb their encampments, bomb their military equipment, soften them up, it makes it easier for the native troops to do the clean up and clean out that's needed to be done by ground troops.
 
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Maybe because I'm old, and have seen this crap before, but we're seeing another Vietnam in the making here.



In 1961 they were called "advisers" when they were CIA trained operatives. They change the names so we forget. It always starts with some recognized names in political circles, but the end result is the same...

Only now the media doesn't show you the body bags.....



Worse than NAM F&L. :2wave: As ISIS has expanded to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Plus they now have a city in Libya, which BO definitely wants to avoid talking about that screw up of Hillary's that he took the ride with. Being in several countries now tends to bring home the reality. Despite whatever BO is seeing. Or saying!

Which says nothing of AQ nor Ansar al Sharia.
 
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That may be the case DF :2wave: But again, how does that stop ISIS or AQ. Who won't magically disappear. Should we not get involved in anything and let the world Turn with all others getting involved into everything.

The USA/CIA has been arming and financing ISIS allied groups and we were the
initial armers and funders of AQ. History should make clear that these are problems
that we have created and the CIA and MIC are always involved.
 
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Worse than NAM F&L. :2wave: As ISIS has expanded to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Plus they now have a city in Libya, which BO definitely wants to avoid talking about that screw up of Hillary's that he took the ride with. Being in several countries now tends to bring home the reality. Despite whatever BO is seeing. Or saying!

Which says nothing of AQ nor Ansar al Sharia.



All agreed...

It is the mission creep I'm talking about.

Again, I come back to the political expediency of pulling out based on an agreement signed by his predecessor whom he criticized, not the military reality at the time. That was the first stage of the Vietnamesque moves, classic errors so easily avoidable, documented in the New York Times "Pentagon Papers". That led to the mission creep, which then led to abandonment of the cause and a tail between the legs retreat....

As it stand now, even the most die-hard Obama administration apologists can only point to Somalia as a "success".....and strangely, no one is reporting on Afghanistan that I can see. Like Vietnam, Crimea, etc., the news dries up when American military leaves.
 
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It's funny because no one has really been listening to Michael Moore for about a decade.
 
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It's funny because no one has really been listening to Michael Moore for about a decade.

What about Feinstein? :mrgreen:
 
Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

Well whaddya know.....Diane Feinstein with McCain are out publicly challenging BO and his mental issues of his ideology. This is indeed a good day to Start a Monday. Another Democrat telling BO how he has got it wrong. What say ye?




Two influential senators are calling on President Barack Obama to send more U.S. ground troops to hotspots around the Middle East.

The suggestion by Republican John McCain and Democrat Dianne Feinstein is a direct challenge to the president, who has said he doesn’t want to increase the U.S. military presence in Yemen despite the deteriorating security condition in that country.

Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, says the U.S. needs more human intelligence in the region and to not rely so heavily on intelligence gathered by technical means.....snip~

On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In Middle East « CBS San Francisco

I say we send in both of them, alone, and unarmed..

To hell with both of them.
 
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McCain never saw a war he didn't like, so he can kindly go to hell. This isn't surprising from the likes of Feinstein either.
 
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Nobody wants war-but some things are worth fighting for. Even a high ranking lefty senator (mine) is calling for them.

If you haven't figured it out yet-ISIS isn't going away and the lefts politicians appear tired of hiding behind partisan dogma. :2wave:
"Some things are worth fighting for". In this case the "things" are defense contractors lining their pockets with gold at tax-payer expense. You do realize that both McCain and Feinstein (through her husband) have investments with defense contractors right? Oh yeah, there's millions of "things" to fight for when those things are dollars.
 
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Isn't it amazing how the same group of people can keep making the same dangerous mistake over and over again?
This is what happens when you have a political stranglehold on US elections by a two party system whose only difference really is superficial inanities. I think thats why many people love to spit at libertarians because we represent the biggest threat to the military-industrial complex that the Dems and the GOP are lording over.
 
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Maybe we should put ISIS in charge of our domestic policy too, huh?

How about we obey the Constitution?
 
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I don't disagree with what you've posted...and clearing out the ISIS fanatics, leaving the friendlies alone...

And this is why the nation's adventures have failed in the ME.
 
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and when we finally do leave, what do you suppose will happen then?

also, you forgot to answer my question. how much more in taxes are you willing to pay in order to fund the perpetual war?

We will see what happens, can't predict the future-except to say that pulling out before we should helps terrorists.
 
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"Some things are worth fighting for". In this case the "things" are defense contractors lining their pockets with gold at tax-payer expense. You do realize that both McCain and Feinstein (through her husband) have investments with defense contractors right? Oh yeah, there's millions of "things" to fight for when those things are dollars.

Thats nice. But thats not what Im supporting-we need to go in there and kill each and every terrorist and make it known that that is the new policy from here out.
 
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Thats nice. But thats not what Im supporting-we need to go in there and kill each and every terrorist and make it known that that is the new policy from here out.

Why us? Let the world do that, we are done being the long range bit...
 
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Because if nobody else can or will-we will.

We do not have to, let some drone both Air and ground based have some fun..
 
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We do not have to, let some drone both Air and ground based have some fun..

Well we can't rely on drones alone, or air support. Eventually we will have to go in. What ground based drones do we have?
 
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Gro...MHDggSFtoSgDw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=731&bih=382

No humans, No Nation Building of any kind, we wipe them out then leave, to be honest we have no dog in this fight, its a waste of blood, youth, and treasure.

We took out Iraq's govt, we left them to ISIS, I think we have a duty to help rebuild it now. That drone is cool but we only have a few, and they would require a lot of support on the ground anyway. We are a long way from drone armies.
 
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We took out Iraq's govt, we left them to ISIS, I think we have a duty to help rebuild it now. That drone is cool but we only have a few, and they would require a lot of support on the ground anyway. We are a long way from drone armies.

No, we do not... We can not protect and police the world nor should we.
 
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No, we do not... We can not protect and police the world nor should we.

I propose only that we protect our own best interests, including from a security perspective. This is why we should go back in.
 
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