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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I say, "We should only have our troops in Nations that have attacked us!"
    That narrows it down to Japan and Germany and I like them both. If we
    got rid of the $700 billion Military OFFENSE budget, we wouldn't need to
    conduct a Terror War, or a Drug War, or any of the MSM PERCEPTION
    MANAGED hyped up facsimilies that are generated to maintain fear and
    paranoia for war. Pull the plug on those bastards. I think we have terrific
    soldiers and corrupt politicians and the CORPORATE war profiteers that
    are addicted to the money machine, to our detriment.


    That may be the case DF But again, how does that stop ISIS or AQ. Who won't magically disappear. Should we not get involved in anything and let the world Turn with all others getting involved into everything.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Rocket

    I tend to agree with your take here. Even more so than in Afghanistan, it is virtually impossible from a distance to tell who is the enemy in the battle with ISIS. It's one thing to be able to bomb ISIS encampments outside of cities and feel pretty safe that you're only hitting enemy positions. But in cities that have been overrun by ISIS combatants, who have terrorized residence into support or death, and when an ISIS combatant can look identical to a friendly, it's virtually impossible for an outside army on the ground to take the battle to them. It will take Iraqis themselves, those who know who is friendly and who isn't, to weed out the enemy and US troops pushing forward on the ground are likely to suffer serious casualties unless they're prepared to annihilate friendlies along with the enemy in a torched earth offensive.
    The U.S. cannot afford to let jihadist war criminals who are our sworn enemies shelter among civilian populations. I do not believe a few thousand jihadists can have terrorized several hundred thousand or even a million "friendly" people in a city into supporting them. A much more likely explanation is that a good part of the population of cities like Raqqa and Mosul and Ramadi sides with them, more or less.

    Since even before 9/11, both the U.S. government and many people here and in the West have been determined to deny the fact that a great many people in the Arab world--the masses so many Americans comfort themselves by thinking of as good, friendly Muslims--feel some sympathy with jihad. That willful blindness often shows itself as the claim that jihadism is a perversion of true Islam.

    But the fact people who say this are desperate to deny is that many of the horrors the jihadists engage in are authorized by the most orthodox Islamic texts. Anyone who doubts that should look through [/I]Reliance of the Traveler,[/I] the 14th century text that is as authoritative and detailed a statement of the rules of shari'ah as there is. It may not specifically call for two men accused of homosexual acts to be pushed off a tall building in Mosul, as was done the other day--but it calls for them to be put to death just the same.

    I recently read that a journalist who had spent time among the jihadists operating in Syria and Iraq reported that they hoped to kill hundreds of millions of unbelievers. Fanatics like that cannot be reasoned with, or allowed to survive and grow in power. Every day they seem to be succeeding, the prestige of the U.S. suffers, and their ability to recruit followers increases. Mr. Obama's half-measures have saved Baghdad from being overrun--but that's about it. A couple carrier-based jets patrol here or there over Iraq, occasionally dropping a bomb or firing a missile, or now and then a drone destroys someone's car, or a cruise missile blows up some structure--and those pinpricks are sold as making war on the enemy.

    In Syria, these people have gotten even stronger since the U.S. first bombed them late last summer. This administration's weak and haphazard foreign policy has allowed Libya to devolve into a failed state and hotbed of Islamic jihad--another Somalia. It is only despite Mr. Obama's efforts that Gen. Sisi now rules in Egypt, and Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood candidate Obama favored, is gone. Thanks to his disastrous policy, U.S. influence in Yemen--a very important theater in the war against Islamic jihadists--apparently has now been lost. If not for the efforts of Chad and Cameroon, jihadists would be expanding their influence in Nigeria even further. And in the background, the greatest threat of all to this country continues to grow, as Iran keeps moving steadily toward manufacturing nuclear weapons.
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well whaddya know.....Diane Feinstein with McCain are out publicly challenging BO and his mental issues of his ideology. This is indeed a good day to Start a Monday. Another Democrat telling BO how he has got it wrong.
    What say ye?





    Two influential senators are calling on President Barack Obama to send more U.S. ground troops to hotspots around the Middle East.

    The suggestion by Republican John McCain and Democrat Dianne Feinstein is a direct challenge to the president, who has said he doesn’t want to increase the U.S. military presence in Yemen despite the deteriorating security condition in that country.

    Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, says the U.S. needs more human intelligence in the region and to not rely so heavily on intelligence gathered by technical means.....snip~

    On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In Middle East « CBS San Francisco


    Take a look at what just happened in Kobani, Syria: http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...ance-is-halted

    Why should the USA do what those people can do for themselves?
    Fill us in.
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya FMW. I think you are Right. Time to treat the problem with seriousness.
    I for one am sick of sacrificing our young people on the altars of failed ideology, and I don't care whose ideology it is. If we are not going into a country with a declaration of war from Congress and with overwhelming force and license to kill anybody who resists us and with intention of bringing that country to full and unconditional surrender, then we should not expend our blood and treasure on what will almost certainly be failure to accomplish lasting peace.

    And once unconditional surrender is accomplished, our game plan should be to install the government and policies we want that country to have--think what we did in Germany and Japan in WWII--and then and then only will we return the sovereignty of that nation to its people.

    If we aren't willing to do that, I say let's keep our men and women home.
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Take a look at what just happened in Kobani, Syria: Kurds Claim Victory in Kobani as Islamic State Advance Is Halted - Businessweek

    Why should the USA do what those people can do for themselves?
    Fill us in.


    Heya SN. Yeah I know.....but take a look at what the assessment is and that's not counting ISIS opening up a front in Lebanon.


    Wall Street Journal published a splashy story yesterday detailing the grim reality that US airstrikes have not curbed the terror army's advance in Syria:

    More than three months of U.S. airstrikes in Syria have failed to prevent Islamic State militants from expanding their control in that country, according to U.S. and independent assessments, raising new concerns about President Barack Obama’s military strategy in the Middle East. While U.S. bombing runs and missile strikes have put Islamic State forces on the defensive in Iraq, they haven’t had the same kind of impact in Syria. Instead, jihadist fighters have enlarged their hold in Syria since the U.S. started hitting the group’s strongholds there in September, according to the new estimates. Islamic State’s progress in Syria is partly the result of the U.S. decision to focus its military efforts on Iraq, where the militant group has seized major parts of the country and declared them part of a new Islamic caliphate. The U.S.-led military effort has pushed the forces out of some key battlegrounds in Iraq. But Syria still serves as a haven for Islamic State fighters...

    The Daily Beast printed a similar report this week......snip~

    Jihad: Terror Suspects Killed, Arrested in Belgium; Officials Warn of Multiple 'Sleeper Cells' - Guy Benson

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well whaddya know.....Diane Feinstein with McCain are out publicly challenging BO and his mental issues of his ideology. This is indeed a good day to Start a Monday. Another Democrat telling BO how he has got it wrong. What say ye?




    Two influential senators are calling on President Barack Obama to send more U.S. ground troops to hotspots around the Middle East.

    The suggestion by Republican John McCain and Democrat Dianne Feinstein is a direct challenge to the president, who has said he doesn’t want to increase the U.S. military presence in Yemen despite the deteriorating security condition in that country.

    Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, says the U.S. needs more human intelligence in the region and to not rely so heavily on intelligence gathered by technical means.....snip~

    On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In Middle East « CBS San Francisco


    Maybe because I'm old, and have seen this crap before, but we're seeing another Vietnam in the making here.

    McCain — a Republican who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee — and Feinstein tell CBS’ “Face the Nation” that special operations forces in particular may be necessary to blunt Iranian influence in Yemen and elsewhere.
    In 1961 they were called "advisers" when they were CIA trained operatives. They change the names so we forget. It always starts with some recognized names in political circles, but the end result is the same...

    Only now the media doesn't show you the body bags.....
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The U.S. cannot afford to let jihadist war criminals who are our sworn enemies shelter among civilian populations. I do not believe a few thousand jihadists can have terrorized several hundred thousand or even a million "friendly" people in a city into supporting them. A much more likely explanation is that a good part of the population of cities like Raqqa and Mosul and Ramadi sides with them, more or less.

    Since even before 9/11, both the U.S. government and many people here and in the West have been determined to deny the fact that a great many people in the Arab world--the masses so many Americans comfort themselves by thinking of as good, friendly Muslims--feel some sympathy with jihad. That willful blindness often shows itself as the claim that jihadism is a perversion of true Islam.

    But the fact people who say this are desperate to deny is that many of the horrors the jihadists engage in are authorized by the most orthodox Islamic texts. Anyone who doubts that should look through [/I]Reliance of the Traveler,[/I] the 14th century text that is as authoritative and detailed a statement of the rules of shari'ah as there is. It may not specifically call for two men accused of homosexual acts to be pushed off a tall building in Mosul, as was done the other day--but it calls for them to be put to death just the same.

    I recently read that a journalist who had spent time among the jihadists operating in Syria and Iraq reported that they hoped to kill hundreds of millions of unbelievers. Fanatics like that cannot be reasoned with, or allowed to survive and grow in power. Every day they seem to be succeeding, the prestige of the U.S. suffers, and their ability to recruit followers increases. Mr. Obama's half-measures have saved Baghdad from being overrun--but that's about it. A couple carrier-based jets patrol here or there over Iraq, occasionally dropping a bomb or firing a missile, or now and then a drone destroys someone's car, or a cruise missile blows up some structure--and those pinpricks are sold as making war on the enemy.

    In Syria, these people have gotten even stronger since the U.S. first bombed them late last summer. This administration's weak and haphazard foreign policy has allowed Libya to devolve into a failed state and hotbed of Islamic jihad--another Somalia. It is only despite Mr. Obama's efforts that Gen. Sisi now rules in Egypt, and Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood candidate Obama favored, is gone. Thanks to his disastrous policy, U.S. influence in Yemen--a very important theater in the war against Islamic jihadists--apparently has now been lost. If not for the efforts of Chad and Cameroon, jihadists would be expanding their influence in Nigeria even further. And in the background, the greatest threat of all to this country continues to grow, as Iran keeps moving steadily toward manufacturing nuclear weapons.
    I don't disagree with what you've posted - that doesn't change the fact that a ground force of Americans or Coalition forces would have a very difficult time entering a city, like Mosul as an example, and clearing out the ISIS fanatics, leaving the friendlies alone, and leaving the city in any sense of repair such that it would be inhabitable going forward. This must be done, with our assistance, by Iraq troops, Kurdish troops, in the area who readily know who to trust and who not to trust.

    There are tens of thousands of ISIS troops that have been marauding around the area the past year and if the American and Coalition forces can bomb their encampments, bomb their military equipment, soften them up, it makes it easier for the native troops to do the clean up and clean out that's needed to be done by ground troops.
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Maybe because I'm old, and have seen this crap before, but we're seeing another Vietnam in the making here.



    In 1961 they were called "advisers" when they were CIA trained operatives. They change the names so we forget. It always starts with some recognized names in political circles, but the end result is the same...

    Only now the media doesn't show you the body bags.....


    Worse than NAM F&L. As ISIS has expanded to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Plus they now have a city in Libya, which BO definitely wants to avoid talking about that screw up of Hillary's that he took the ride with. Being in several countries now tends to bring home the reality. Despite whatever BO is seeing. Or saying!

    Which says nothing of AQ nor Ansar al Sharia.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That may be the case DF But again, how does that stop ISIS or AQ. Who won't magically disappear. Should we not get involved in anything and let the world Turn with all others getting involved into everything.
    The USA/CIA has been arming and financing ISIS allied groups and we were the
    initial armers and funders of AQ. History should make clear that these are problems
    that we have created and the CIA and MIC are always involved.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Worse than NAM F&L. As ISIS has expanded to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Plus they now have a city in Libya, which BO definitely wants to avoid talking about that screw up of Hillary's that he took the ride with. Being in several countries now tends to bring home the reality. Despite whatever BO is seeing. Or saying!

    Which says nothing of AQ nor Ansar al Sharia.


    All agreed...

    It is the mission creep I'm talking about.

    Again, I come back to the political expediency of pulling out based on an agreement signed by his predecessor whom he criticized, not the military reality at the time. That was the first stage of the Vietnamesque moves, classic errors so easily avoidable, documented in the New York Times "Pentagon Papers". That led to the mission creep, which then led to abandonment of the cause and a tail between the legs retreat....

    As it stand now, even the most die-hard Obama administration apologists can only point to Somalia as a "success".....and strangely, no one is reporting on Afghanistan that I can see. Like Vietnam, Crimea, etc., the news dries up when American military leaves.
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