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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ISIL is absolutely a problem for the US. We like our nice, happy, first-world lifestyle and the global system of trade upon which it depends.
    No. They are just a bunch of crazy weaklings that go around making threats that they can't possibly carry out. They are the punk gangster that thinks he's a bad ass for no good reason.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Isn't it amazing how on most days Republicans and Democrats can't even agree the sky is blue.

    But with hardly any debate whatsoever renewed the patriot act and Obama quickly signed it without any additional safeguards for civil liberties just as an example of the utter nonsense this two party system is.
    Well, they agree on this because it's good for their portfolios and campaign contributions.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    How do you know what I heard? I don't watch Obama speeches for more than 30 seconds. I find him rather a dull boy.

    All problems will come to an end when Jesus comes home to clean house.

    Everyone playing their part is what they want you to feel.
    Well I figured you would hear something about it.....which would be the most commonly known information that was being discussed. What the MS Media and most people would be talking about with the matter. A given at the very least.

    Okay.....or until we destroy ourselves.

    No, everyone playing their part.....is what stops both from spreading and becoming more of a problem than what they are now.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The King of Jordan talks a good game but always give themselves an out along the lines of "Extremism is a Muslim problem to combat....but right now we are flooded with refugees who are consuming all of our budgets and most focus on helping those people first."
    He is correct that Jordan (and Lebanon) are inundated with the largest number of refugees to exist since WWII, and that's a massive problem for them - roughly 10% of their populace is a refugee. Take an additional 10% of the American populace and throw them onto government dependency, and we'd have problems as well.

    However, Jordan is actively involved in the counter-ISIL fight, and (correctly) see's ISIL as a potential existential threat. KSA as well. Egypt is doing good work in the Sinai.

    There is no indication of that so far from ISIL. I assume "global key vulnerability" is a fancy way of saying "Israel and Palestine".
    No. It's a way of saying "Saudi Arabia, with the additional ability to project force into global arterial choke points such as the straits of Aden and Hormuz".

    It is a problem for US oil companies. Others not so much
    Sure. Just as Al-Qaida isn't a problem for us. It's not like they would ever attack us here, eh?

    We have red-blooded, flag-waving, pick-up driving frackers to take care of business.
    Sure. And Oil isn't fungible at all.



    Isolationism is a nice dream, but a pipe dream. Unfortunately, so long as we are economically dependent upon the rest of the world in order to maintain our standard of living, we have to actually care what goes on there.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No. They are just a bunch of crazy weaklings that go around making threats that they can't possibly carry out. They are the punk gangster that thinks he's a bad ass for no good reason.
    So to be clear. It is your claim that ISIL could not, for example, triple the territory they control AFTER we started bombing them? That they could not utilize their foreign fighter populace to enable external operations in Europe and the U.S.? That they are unlikely to be able to do things like defeat large echelons of nation-state militaries?

    Because they are a bunch of crazy weaklings who think they are badass for no good reason?


    Calling them "Jayvee" doesn't actually mean that they will then be unable to achieve strategic effects.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Even dems are done with Obama's charade. Time to step up and deal with the problem.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Who's gonna clear them out of Mosul for example?

    You?

    You're gonna go door to door in Mosul and clear them out?

    How many troops is that going to take?

    How many are you willing to lose?

    How many is too many to the American public after over a decade of war and nothing to show for it?


    Naturally it would take forces from an Army.

    Now why would he have to think about doing it. Its not like anything could be relied upon with you. Not even if actually had to be depended upon. As then we would be doomed.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Naturally it would take forces from an Army.

    Now why would he have to think about doing it. Its not like anything could be relied upon with you. Not even if actually had to be depended upon. As then we would be doomed.
    So you have no answers to my questions?

    Hardly surprising... shouldn't you still be freaking out over Ebola or something?

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Who's gonna clear them out of Mosul for example?

    You?

    You're gonna go door to door in Mosul and clear them out?

    How many troops is that going to take?

    How many are you willing to lose?

    How many is too many to the American public after over a decade of war and nothing to show for it?
    That is a different argument. There is a difference between ISIS wanting a ground war against us and us wanting a ground war against them. I am addressing the former and you are addressing the latter. I know why we don't want it. What I am asking is why do they want to tangle with a force that would wipe them out.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So you have no answers to my questions?

    Hardly surprising... shouldn't you still be freaking out over Ebola or something?
    I just told you what it would take. But then you did say, you never were at the head of your class. Its not surprising to me.

    Now why would I need to freak out where I proved you lied. Like BO Peep.

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