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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Or leave the problem to someone else. Our current approach just angers me (and ISIS.)
    Who else can take care of the problem? The Europeans don't have the heart nor the will. The Aussies can't do it alone with those in the ME.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Do they? Why would anyone want that?
    BBC News - Islamic State message shows desire for US boots on the ground

    The chief spokesman for the self-named "Islamic State" (IS), also known as Isis, has given the clearest indication yet that his fighters would actually welcome a ground war in Iraq and Syria against US troops.

    In a 42-minute audio message uploaded to the internet the group's Syrian-born spokesman, who has taken the adopted name of Shaykh Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, mocks recent US air strikes and the moves to build an international coalition against Islamic State.

    Addressing President Obama, the spokesman says: "Is this all you are capable of doing in this campaign of yours? Are America and all its allies... unable to come down to the ground?"
    ISIS wants to draw you into a Ground War.

    When an enemy so brazenly wants you to engage him, and goads you in this manner, tactically you have to assess whether that's a wise choice.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Great, now we get bipartisan agreement on sending yet more troops back to the region. We really are never going to learn are we?
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    It is clear they have no intention of trying as long as they can rely like clockwork on sucking our troops in to die in their stead. ISIS is not a US problem--we just make it one by being a buttinski
    Well, I know you heard BO try and tell all how AQ is a former Shadow of themselves. But despite what you heard. The fact is. AQ has grown and in strength. Both ISIS and AQ have declared War on us. So our people our assets its all open game to them.

    Now while true.....they are not just our problem. They are a problem that exists and that problem has to come with an ending.

    What does need to be made clear and some are getting the message now. They are problem that has become everyones problem. So now everyone has to play their part.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's an interesting statement. How is it clear that (for example) Jordan and Saudi Arabia do not intend to try to defeat ISIL?
    The King of Jordan talks a good game but always give themselves an out along the lines of "Extremism is a Muslim problem to combat....but right now we are flooded with refugees who are consuming all of our budgets and most focus on helping those people first."



    yeah. Because it's not like they would ever seek to launch attacks in the west, or expand to take over a global key vulnerability.
    There is no indication of that so far from ISIL. I assume "global key vulnerability" is a fancy way of saying "Israel and Palestine".

    ISIL is absolutely a problem for the US.
    It is a problem for US oil companies. Others not so much


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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    BBC News - Islamic State message shows desire for US boots on the ground



    ISIS wants to draw you into a Ground War.

    When an enemy so brazenly wants you to engage him, and goads you in this manner, tactically you have to assess whether that's a wise choice.
    That sounds like bravado on their part. They would lose a ground war to the US. They would lose badly and quickly. ISIS is a band of brutal thugs, not a military fighting force.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That sounds like bravado on their part. They would lose a ground war to the US. They would lose badly and quickly. ISIS is a band of brutal thugs, not a military fighting force.
    Who's gonna clear them out of Mosul for example?

    You?

    You're gonna go door to door in Mosul and clear them out?

    How many troops is that going to take?

    How many are you willing to lose?

    How many is too many to the American public after over a decade of war and nothing to show for it?

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, I know you heard BO try and tell all how AQ is a former Shadow of themselves. But despite what you heard. The fact is. AQ has grown and in strength. Both ISIS and AQ have declared War on us. So our people our assets its all open game to them.

    Now while true.....they are not just our problem. They are a problem that exists and that problem has to come with an ending.

    What does need to be made clear and some are getting the message now. They are problem that has become everyones problem. So now everyone has to play their part.
    How do you know what I heard? I don't watch Obama speeches for more than 30 seconds. I find him rather a dull boy.

    All problems will come to an end when Jesus comes home to clean house.

    Everyone playing their part is what they want you to feel.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Great, now we get bipartisan agreement on sending yet more troops back to the region. We really are never going to learn are we?
    Isn't it amazing how the same group of people can keep making the same dangerous mistake over and over again?
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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Isn't it amazing how the same group of people can keep making the same dangerous mistake over and over again?
    Isn't it amazing how on most days Republicans and Democrats can't even agree the sky is blue.

    But with hardly any debate whatsoever renewed the patriot act and Obama quickly signed it without any additional safeguards for civil liberties just as an example of the utter nonsense this two party system is.

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