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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    No, the question is why you are so willing to let the ISIS jihadists do whatever they please. What you clearly hope, although you will not acknowledge it, is that the U.S. will not use any effective force against them. To let these people continue to be as free to act as they now are is to openly invite a major attack on this country. They are just as determined to kill Americans as the jihadists behind 9/11 were, they have just as safe a base of operations, and they have even more resources.
    Where do you live? On the moon? Coalition airstrikes have kill 1000's of ISIS fighters. Since those strikes began, ISIS has failed to take any more cities in Iraq and have been driven back by Kurdish and Iraqi forces in several areas. If you are volunteering to go over there yourself, I say go for it. Oherwise it is wiser to let us help the Iraqi's take back their own country and give them the pride of ownership that our invasion took from them. We have seen first hand that conquering a country is far easier than occupying one. And installing Maliki was the worst possible choice of action, I doubt they want us meddling there again.

    A senior US official said Isis had suffered particularly high casualties as a result of its determination to capture Kobani, sending many fighters to the border town, where they could easily be targeted by US planes. As a result, the official claimed, Isis fighters in the Isis Syrian stronghold of Raqqa were increasingly reluctant to go to Kobani and were growing disillusioned with the leadership.

    “It was presenting itself as an unstoppable movement,” he said. “That kind of unstoppable momentum has been blunted, to say the least. We have killed over 1,000 of their fighters, particularly in Kobani, and that gets to Raqqa because they wanted to take Kobani and had been making the biggest flag they had ever made and they were going to put it up there because to them this is a war of flags.

    “They were committed to this and we could see fighters flooding in from Raqqa and we saw that as an opportunity to attrit their manpower,” he said. “Fighters now don’t want to go to Kobani. There are similar accounts in Mosul, people not getting paid what they thought they’d get paid, not living the life they thought they’d promised … So the mood has changed.”
    US claims Isis demoralised by heavy losses from air strikes | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Where do you live? On the moon? Coalition airstrikes have kill 1000's of ISIS fighters. Since those strikes began, ISIS has failed to take any more cities in Iraq and have been driven back by Kurdish and Iraqi forces in several areas. If you are volunteering to go over there yourself, I say go for it. Oherwise it is wiser to let us help the Iraqi's take back their own country and give them the pride of ownership that our invasion took from them. We have seen first hand that conquering a country is far easier than occupying one. And installing Maliki was the worst possible choice of action,



    US claims Isis demoralised by heavy losses from air strikes | World news | The Guardian
    The source you quoted claimed that "we have killed over 1,000 of their fighters." "Over 1,000" is not the "1000's"--plural--that you assert. About all that's been accomplished is to prevent the jihadists from seizing more territory in Iraq. They control much more of Syria than they did when the U.S. strikes began late last summer. The anonymous "senior official" your leftist piece of fish wrap quotes seems to be one of many who are willing to carry water for this sorry administration.

    You yourself seem to be a faithful member of President Pinprick's rear guard. You've made clear you don't want this country do anything effective to stop these bastards, any more than he does. Your drivel about helping "the Iraqi's (sic) take back their own country" and giving "them the pride of ownership that our invasion took from them" has a "blame Bush" ring to it that fits right in with your support of Mr. Obama's feckless policy toward these jihadists. Did you get those trite phrases from Mother Jones, or do you want to admit they're all your doing?

    I doubt they want us meddling there again.
    I don't give a righteous flying ---- what they want, or don't want. The United States does not need to ask permission from piss-ant countries like Iraq to act in the interests of its national security.

    We have seen first hand that conquering a country is far easier than occupying one.
    Speak for yourself. I don't accept that the United States ever intended to "occupy" Iraq.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The source you quoted claimed that "we have killed over 1,000 of their fighters." "Over 1,000" is not the "1000's"--plural--that you assert. About all that's been accomplished is to prevent the jihadists from seizing more territory in Iraq. They control much more of Syria than they did when the U.S. strikes began late last summer. The anonymous "senior official" your leftist piece of fish wrap quotes seems to be one of many who are willing to carry water for this sorry administration.

    You yourself seem to be a faithful member of President Pinprick's rear guard. You've made clear you don't want this country do anything effective to stop these bastards, any more than he does. Your drivel about helping "the Iraqi's (sic) take back their own country" and giving "them the pride of ownership that our invasion took from them" has a "blame Bush" ring to it that fits right in with your support of Mr. Obama's feckless policy toward these jihadists. Did you get those trite phrases from Mother Jones, or do you want to admit they're all your doing?



    I don't give a righteous flying ---- what they want, or don't want. The United States does not need to ask permission from piss-ant countries like Iraq to act in the interests of its national security.



    Speak for yourself. I don't accept that the United States ever intended to "occupy" Iraq.
    So I take it you are volunteering for frontline duty. Someone who talks so tough wouldn't be a coward would he?

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So I take it you are volunteering for frontline duty. Someone who talks so tough wouldn't be a coward would he?
    What a silly logical fallacy.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    The neocon bible:


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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Why should we lead the fight against Isis ourselves or alone? I don't think US citizens should have to pay all the bills to save the world.
    Then you are a proponent of having no troops in the middle east. So am I.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Where do you live? On the moon? Coalition airstrikes have kill 1000's of ISIS fighters. Since those strikes began, ISIS has failed to take any more cities in Iraq and have been driven back by Kurdish and Iraqi forces in several areas. If you are volunteering to go over there yourself, I say go for it. Oherwise it is wiser to let us help the Iraqi's take back their own country and give them the pride of ownership that our invasion took from them. We have seen first hand that conquering a country is far easier than occupying one. And installing Maliki was the worst possible choice of action, I doubt they want us meddling there again.

    US claims Isis demoralised by heavy losses from air strikes | World news | The Guardian



    Yeah we heard about what the US claims. The Kurds taking back their town too. We also know ISIS has gained more ground in Syria, Opened up a Front against Lebanon. While also making an attack on the Saud Border and with their New fence. Oh, they have total control of that Western Part of Iraq. Despite no occupying control of any major town. Forcing the Jordanians and the Saud to put plenty of troops on their borders.

    Which doesn't count them being given a city in Libya, while picking up an Alliance with the Benghazi Emirate that was started up there. Nor does it include the Former Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan pledging to ISIS.

    Moreover the Iraqis are in NO position to take back Mosul.

    Which they just beheaded the Japanese prisoner plus now claimed the credit for the attack on the Hotel in Libya yesterday.

    We can see, just how demoralized these guys are.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So I take it you are volunteering for frontline duty. Someone who talks so tough wouldn't be a coward would he?



    Is Johnny Quest McCain going to take front line Duty? Other than Chair of the Senate Arms Committee.


    McCain: Get Ready for U.S. Troops on the Ground in Iraq and Syria.....

    In an appearance last weekend on the CBS News program Face the Nation, McCain offered a blistering critique of Obama’s handling of the crises in Iraq, Syria, Yemen and elsewhere, saying the president and his top advisers have “lost touch with reality” – including the role being played by Iran in fomenting terrorism throughout the Middle East.

    “So there is no strategy,” he said. “It is delusional for them to think that what they're doing is succeeding. And we need more boots on the ground. I know that is a tough thing to say and a tough thing for Americans to swallow, but it doesn't mean the 82nd Airborne. It means forward air controllers. It means Special Forces. It means intelligence and it means other capabilities.....snip~

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mccain...175200999.html

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And when we left again, they'd just come back. The whole point of the "war on terror" was to chase them wherever they went until they were defeated. We have no interest in doing that.
    We may have no interest in doing that. What I was responding to was the idea that ISIS wanted to get involved in a ground war with us. It doesnt make sense to me that they would since they would get pummeled. Bin Laden learned that the hard way. Al Zarqawi learned that the hard way. Perhaps this new ISIS thug thinks he can do better, but I suspect it is just bravado on his part.

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    Re: On ‘Face the Nation,’ Senators Feinstein, McCain Call For More U.S. Troops In M.E

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    The neocon bible:

    Very clever--support Muslim jihadists by personally attacking people who want this country to use serious force against them. It sounds like a new twist on the anti-American Soviet propaganda I've seen from the 1950's and '60's about the communists' sincere desire for peace, U.S. imperialist warmongering, etc. All your graphic amounts to is an excuse for taking the side of jihadists against the United States. The website it came from really IS for dummies.

    Once again, I'd like to recommend a book by Andy McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who led the prosecution of Abdel "The Blind Sheikh" Rahman for his role in the first bombing of the World Trader Center in February, 1993. The title is "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America."

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