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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Exactly what have the sanctions accomplished?
    What bounty has the USofA reaped? Besides looking like idiots.

    Flip side of that is, open trade and travel with Cuba and jobs get created, money flows, and capitalism works. Isn't that what so many of you want?

    People in the USofA can start importing and exporting stuff to Cuba. More business.

    Win-win.
    We have kept Cuba isolated and don't have the token for a first world communist power sitting off our shores.

    Opening trade with Cuba does nothing whatsoever for us. Not in image, we just look weak. Not economically either, they'll just need aid. And imports? They have nothing we need. Tin maybe, we already have plenty of that.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Exactly what have the sanctions accomplished?
    What bounty has the USofA reaped? Besides looking like idiots.

    Flip side of that is, open trade and travel with Cuba and jobs get created, money flows, and capitalism works. Isn't that what so many of you want?

    People in the USofA can start importing and exporting stuff to Cuba. More business.

    Win-win.
    Looking like idiots to whom?
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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's their business what freedoms they give their citizens. Not up to us. We dont dictate to China or Saudi Arabia, for ex, how to treat their citizens. We huff and puff but do little of substance. Our attempts at changes to human rights have taken years and have made no inroads in SA.

    that doesnt mean I like the system in Cuba, just that it's hypocritical to consider it our business, both in general and there specifically.
    How horrific. People aren't the personal property of their government. Feel free to be apathetic if you like but I would like my government to advocate for liberalism and democracy by whatever the most effective path is. Internationalism forever.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is absolutely no reason for us to even take the time to discuss with Cuba the lowering of the embargo. The embargo exists and is the fact of the day right now. It takes virtually zero effort on our part to continue with it. So the question remains, why go to any effort to end it? Has anything changed on Cuba that would make it a good neighbor? No. And they have nothing else other than being a good neighbor that we need or want.

    And yes, I've long questioned the Wet Foot/Dry Foot policy.
    I would argue it takes far more effort to enforce an embargo than lift it.
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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I would argue it takes far more effort to enforce an embargo than lift it.
    Then you would argue wrongly. As Obama is discovering now.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Can you imagine Barack Obama buying a car like he lifted the Cuban embargo?

    Oh the list price is 27,000, have a 33,000 is that a fair price for the car?

    Oh sure thing Mr. prez and for just $50 more you can add the oil change insurance!

    You sure that insurance isn't $75 more?

    Yeah, we sure run a hard bargain!
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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Then you would argue wrongly. As Obama is discovering now.
    What are you basing this off of?
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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    What are you basing this off of?
    Read the OP. Even if he gets anything from the talks (he won't) he'll have to get it by congress (he won't).

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    How horrific. People aren't the personal property of their government. Feel free to be apathetic if you like but I would like my government to advocate for liberalism and democracy by whatever the most effective path is. Internationalism forever.
    Exactly. The argument assumes that the very underpinning of US governing philosophy, natural rights, don't exist.
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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Another Obama foreign policy success.

    Can someone explain what we got in return for this?
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