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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats like a firefighter not being able to put out a fire with water, and then switching to gasoline to try a different strategy.

    This is an idiotic statement-a different strategy that is even worse isn't the answer.
    So instead we should fight a fire by ignoring it and hoping for the best. Right.

    What is your answer for helping the people of Cuba since you have such concern for them? The embargo hasn't helped them.


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

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    So instead we should fight a fire by ignoring it and hoping for the best. Right.

    What is your answer for helping the people of Cuba since you have such concern for them? The embargo hasn't helped them.
    The same thing we did in East Germany and the USSR-hasten the demise of that govt.

    Note that what Obama has done is the exact opposite of this.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

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    The same thing we did in East Germany and the USSR-hasten the demise of that govt.

    Note that what Obama has done is the exact opposite of this.
    We had diplomatic relations with both East Germany and the USSR. You are proposing the exact opposite.


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    We had diplomatic relations with both East Germany and the USSR. You are proposing the exact opposite.
    Thats not the point, you asked what I would do to help the people of Cuba.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats not the point, you asked what I would do to help the people of Cuba.
    It is the point. We traded with those nations, had diplomatic relations with them. Eventually, things changed there.

    So you would have diplomatic relations and trade, the same things we did with the USSR. But Obama is stupid for doing that?


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It is the point. We traded with those nations, had diplomatic relations with them. Eventually, things changed there.

    So you would have diplomatic relations and trade, the same things we did with the USSR. But Obama is stupid for doing that?
    We didn't exactly have prolific trade with either-but we used other techniques-like increasing oil production to cut income in the USSR, as well as forcing them to increase military spending.

    With Cuba, they have no oil (in fact once the USSR went under its interesting how the cubans had to adapt to that), and they couldn't spend much on their military even if they wanted to.

    So we stopped trading with them. Thats what happens when you nearly plunge the world (commies too) into nuclear war.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We didn't exactly have prolific trade with either-but we used other techniques-like increasing oil production to cut income in the USSR, as well as forcing them to increase military spending.

    With Cuba, they have no oil (in fact once the USSR went under its interesting how the cubans had to adapt to that), and they couldn't spend much on their military even if they wanted to.

    So we stopped trading with them. Thats what happens when you nearly plunge the world (commies too) into nuclear war.
    So we stopped trading with them thinking it would change things, and guess what? It hasn't. We gave it 55 years, how long are you thinking we should give it?


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So we stopped trading with them thinking it would change things, and guess what? It hasn't. We gave it 55 years, how long are you thinking we should give it?
    I dont think that was the thought-remember other nations have continued to trade with them. Its more that we aren't going to help a corrupt commie regime. And what Obama has introduced does exactly that.

    He's helping exactly who he should not be helping-and the average Cuban is now even more entrenched in a commie dictatorship.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

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    The same thing we did in East Germany and the USSR-hasten the demise of that govt.

    Note that what Obama has done is the exact opposite of this.


    Damn good plan.....


    Coupled with a restorative plan, it might work. The Berlin Wall came down because of American blue jeans, rock and roll and Playboy magazine.

    The US has created resentment in the people, I have listened to them. They do not understand at all why they are punished for something over which they have no control, the actions of an unelected government. When Kennedy invoked them, it was to save face, without any regard for the consequences to the people, while the US was still aiding and rebuilding Japan and Germany.

    The hearts and the minds of a nation are what needs winning, not ego battles and heavy artillery. Poland's Solidarity could not have gone anywhere without the Polish people behind them, and they followed because they wanted ****ing tractor parts, blue jeans, and better Vodka.

    Having been to Cuba, having compared it to other Caribbean islands, it is the same here. Let in some ****ing blue jeans, baseball uniforms, cleats and bats along with some auto parts and Raul won't last long.

    Obama, as usual, is blowing smoke, he has no clear agenda other than what he can mis-represent to the American people, with an agenda that has so far only angered the country's leadership. Based on history, from Vietnam to Iraq, I am certain the White House doesn't know the first ****ing thing about the needs of the people....they are functioning on the needs of the White House.

    When you win their hearts and minds, their asses and pocketbooks are soon to follow.

    And start paying ****ing rent on Gitmo....
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
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