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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Exactly right. Talk to them but don't give up your leverage prior to the discussion. Any fool knows that. The way the administration did it, Cuba got a lot for very little. They released a few political prisoners and sent an American they had held in captivity home and in turn got trade concessions worth billions. It's almost as bad as trading five of the worlds most dangerous terrorists for a deserter.
    Trade with Cuba was very profitable for American companies before the revolution. The potential for that is still there. American companies will benefit, potentially creating more jobs through which we'll all benefit.


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So the way to help the people is to cut off trade? How does it help them? Your cartoon asked the question of who is helping the citizens. So who is helping them?
    Nobody is helping them-thats how it works under marxist dictatorships. Trade is only going to the ruling class-and they have already said they aren't making any changes.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Exactly right. Talk to them but don't give up your leverage prior to the discussion. Any fool knows that. The way the administration did it, Cuba got a lot for very little. They released a few political prisoners and sent an American they had held in captivity home and in turn got trade concessions worth billions. It's almost as bad as trading five of the worlds most dangerous terrorists for a deserter.
    Apparently Obama likes making **** deals.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I didn't see anything about ownership actually - what section describes 100% ownership?
    The entire concept of totally foreign capital companies and the rights granted therein:

    "(g) Totally Foreign Capital Company: commercial entity with foreign capital without the involvement of any national investor or natural person with foreign capital."

    National Investors can privately own portions of private joint ventures and international economic association agreements:

    "(m) National Investor: a Cuban juridical person domiciled in the national territory of Cuba which participates as a shareholder in a joint venture, or is a party to an international economic association agreement."

    And I'll grant you that yes, it's very interesting that Cuba is allowing investments but that doesn't tell me they are moving away from Socialism or doing anything about their horrible human rights issues. It does tell me that they may be very desperate financially. Again... please show me what section of the document stated full ownership by foreigners... I may have missed it.
    Privatizing the economy is a big step towards the dismantling of this system.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Like Gaddafi?
    Just like Obama, Gaddafi lacked a brain.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You can't negotiate with people you aren't talking to. You're also not going to get everything all at once. The embargo is a pretty childish when you think about it "You give us what we want, or we're not talking to you." It's like we're being petulant teenagers.

    You start the conversation, you start the negotations, you allow our money and culture to start flowing in. Eventually the people will demand the freedoms and opportunities that increased trade brings.
    Give us what we want? What are you suggesting that we wanted? The embargo was enacted due to Cuba's hostility towards the west and their poor treatment of their own people. And the Castros only cared about the embargo once the Soviet Union collapsed and that turd in Venezuela (Hugo Chevez) died. Now they have run out of authoritarian sugar daddies. Now as a last resort they want us to prop them up with commerce and tourist dollars.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So the way to help the people is to cut off trade? How does it help them? Your cartoon asked the question of who is helping the citizens. So who is helping them?
    Certainly not the communist system that Cuba and the left touted for so long. That's why they suddenly want trade and tourist dollars.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Give us what we want? What are you suggesting that we wanted? The embargo was enacted due to Cuba's hostility towards the west and their poor treatment of their own people. And the Castros only cared about the embargo once the Soviet Union collapsed and that turd in Venezuela (Hugo Chevez) died. Now they have run out of authoritarian sugar daddies. Now as a last resort they want us to prop them up with commerce and tourist dollars.
    This is clever that little Cuba is playing hardball with us, but what a quandary they are in. Do they need our money bad enough to back down, or will we be the ones to fold, and how would we spin it??

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Just like Obama, Gaddafi lacked a brain.
    So "Obama lacks a brain", but "any 2-bit dictator can see him coming"?


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Trade with Cuba was very profitable for American companies before the revolution. The potential for that is still there. American companies will benefit, potentially creating more jobs through which we'll all benefit.
    and don't forget the real important part.

    trade will continue to prop up the oppressive Castro regime.... which I'm beginning to think is the goal.

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