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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    But I can get that pretty much anywhere in the US. Dominican seed cigars are much better than much of the traditional cuban tobacco and hell.... the US lives on good and even great sammiches.
    It was a joke. I've never gone to Cuba for a Cuban sandwich. The underlying point was that there is nothing for us to gain by lifting the embargo except for another distraction.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Could you provide some credible links that describe this dismantling of it's socialist system? I agree, such radical changes will take time - lifetimes actually - but I know of no credible dismantling taking place and I'd want to believe that is true.
    http://www.cubadiplomatica.cu/LinkCl...3D&tabid=21894
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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It's an interesting document outlining the provisions for foreign capital, investments, etc... but not ownership. It shows that Cuba is open to outside country investments in Cuba but that isn't indicative of any type of movement away from their current form of government or politics. Was there a section specifically that you thought embodied a governmental shift away from socialism?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Weren't they also "oppressed" by Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr.????

    They'd be far less oppressed if the embargo was lifted, and if trade and travel restrictions with the US were open to all.
    Did any of them help bankroll the Castro's?

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I think we need relations with Cuba based on proximity to our borders alone. Not to mention our Cuban immigrants.
    Somehow we got through most of the Cold war without real Cuban relations but now for some reason-because you say so-we do?

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL Because that has worked so well for the last 50 yrs.
    The war on poverty has failed for even longer-dont see lefties wanting to change course there.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So it's not about right or wrong, just what's convenient? And screw them if they dont have anything to offer us? Fine...then lift the artificial, useless restrictions that make us look even more weak (since they didnt work) and hypocritical.
    So lifting the embargo, to give Cuba what they want while getting nothing in return makes us "look" less weak to Cuba?
    Is this your premise?

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    For one thng, it's hypocritical and useless to do so.

    And second, we look weak because we've been trying to 'use' our might thru isolation for decades and failed.
    Our president looks weak, and like an idiot for giving up everything and getting nothing back. He's a chump and the world knows this.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You sure about this?

    American Experience . Nixon's China Game . Timeline | PBS

    Look at December 8th, 1950. Tell me what happened in 1971 and then 1972. When you're done with that, you're welcome to continue spewing nonsense devoid of any historical accuracy.



    Did we ask China to change its government before we lifted the US trade embargo?
    We were at war with China in december of 1950, turbo.

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    Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    HAVANA - The start of talks on repairing 50 years of broken relations appears to have left President Raul Castro's government focused on winning additional concessions without giving in to U.S. demands for greater freedoms, despite the seeming benefits that warmer ties could have for the country's struggling economy. Following the highest-level open talks in three decades between the two nations, Cuban officials remained firm in rejecting significant reforms pushed by the United States as part of President Barack Obama's surprise move to re-establish ties and rebuild economic relations with the Communist-led country.

    "One can't think that in order to improve and normalize relations with the U.S., Cuba has to give up the principles it believes in," Cuba's top diplomat for U.S. affairs, Josefina Vidal, told The Associated Press after the end of the talks. "Changes in Cuba aren't negotiable."



    cont...https://ca.news.yahoo.com/cuba-leave...224809935.html
    The Canadian PressBy Michael Weissenstein And Anne-Marie Garcia, The Associated Press | The Canadian Press 6 hours ago
    The Castros are not looking for reform or even better ties. All they are looking for is a grand western bailout of the regime in the form of American tourist dollars. When the USSR collapsed they were no longer propped up with phony sugar cane subsidies. That rancid piece of dung Hugo Chavez of Venezuela tried to fill the gap, but then he took a permanent dirt nap. The Castros are well aware that their authoritarian regime will not survive without either a sugar daddy propping them up or tourist dollars from the West. Communism is not getting it done. It is not the utopia they claimed it is.

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