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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You obviously are not a camper. All you do is bring your clothes into your bed/sleeping bag until they warm up, before putting them on.

    C'mon. Werent you even a Boy Scout?

    I heat my home with my woodstove. No heat in the bedroom, I just open the door about a half hr before I go to bed and these days, have a lovely heated mattress pad. No heat in the am. Shower, dress, get ready for work.

    Lordy,I split all the wood myself too! From rounds. At least 5 cords. I do have a propane furnace but it costs a fortune to run so I dont use it.

    The Pac NW, were women are women and the men are...?
    well before you go mocking me over how much wood you split (how much do you split during the storm btw, ideally you're supposed to split your wood before the season starts and stock it up. a friend of mine's family but several cords of wood during the summers, I spent every summer helping them split it, they always had split wood throughout the winter) keep in mind the guy I was talking too was talking about people who live in urban apartment blocks, which usually don't come with fireplaces or wood sheds.... and besides can you imagine half of manhattan starting wood fires one day of the year? the air would be literally toxic from that level of fires from so many people so quickly.. i'd love to see the air quality report from that!

    why sleep with my clothes when I can heat the 300 ought square feet I live in just fine? I have electric cadet heaters and the place is wired for a generator already. maybe I'll buy one sometime and then I can just run my regular heat.....

    I know how to rough it, believe it or not, I also prefer not to when I can.... maybe someday you can help me dig a snowpit to trap a wooly mammoth and spear it with sticks, humans at one point did that too...

    and if propane is a budget buster thanks for warning me never ever live in whatever utility district you live in... 8 days to restore power and expensive gas........ I've lived In two utilities areas, one PSE the other Mason PUD 3, or maybe PUD 2? regardless my utilities do not suck, and yours apparently do...
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    never thought of putting candles in a coffee can for heating.

    i knew about deep cycle batteries,but in a snowstorm they will dry up quickly without something like a solar power source to charge them,even using the bare essentuals.down south we have tornados floods etc but when power goes out,we can fire up a generator and run the cord through a window,something urban people living in apartments cant do unless they have a balcony.


    i feel really bad for anyone there who relies on electric space heaters for part or all of their heating.
    You can build a really good heater with candles and clay gardening pots, google up the specs, it works, the clay pots radiate the heat.
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    You can build a really good heater with candles and clay gardening pots, google up the specs, it works, the clay pots radiate the heat.
    well yeah it's the same concept as a coffee can.

    it really does work... the downside is you need a small room, at least with the cans...... but my whole house is a small room. so it works...
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    well yeah it's the same concept as a coffee can.

    it really does work... the downside is you need a small room, at least with the cans...... but my whole house is a small room. so it works...
    Well, I don't know how anyone lives in the cold. When I wake up in the morning, my house is 65 and I have to wear socks and neoprene boots because my feet get so cold.

    I will never live in snow, I can't do it. Give me a 118 degree day, I know how to handle that.
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    well before you go mocking me over how much wood you split (how much do you split during the storm btw, ideally you're supposed to split your wood before the season starts and stock it up. a friend of mine's family but several cords of wood during the summers, I spent every summer helping them split it, they always had split wood throughout the winter) keep in mind the guy I was talking too was talking about people who live in urban apartment blocks, which usually don't come with fireplaces or wood sheds.... and besides can you imagine half of manhattan starting wood fires one day of the year? the air would be literally toxic from that level of fires from so many people so quickly.. i'd love to see the air quality report from that!

    why sleep with my clothes when I can heat the 300 ought square feet I live in just fine? I have electric cadet heaters and the place is wired for a generator already. maybe I'll buy one sometime and then I can just run my regular heat.....

    I know how to rough it, believe it or not, I also prefer not to when I can.... maybe someday you can help me dig a snowpit to trap a wooly mammoth and spear it with sticks, humans at one point did that too...

    and if propane is a budget buster thanks for warning me never ever live in whatever utility district you live in... 8 days to restore power and expensive gas........ I've lived In two utilities areas, one PSE the other Mason PUD 3, or maybe PUD 2? regardless my utilities do not suck, and yours apparently do...
    I had to carry the wood to the house while injured. I split wood all summer.

    *sigh* And you dont sleep with your clothes on ...as I wrote...you set them out and then bring them into your bed or sleeping bag before you get up to warm them. This isnt rocket science, I certainly didnt invent it.

    But down to the teens in degrees (my personal experience here and in the North east), clothing layers and down quilts plus today's LEDs will keep people reasonably comfortable and with light. No generators or wood burning needed. If cold enough, with a couple of coolers, you can save most of what's in your fridge too, at least for 3 or 4 days. If you have an outdoor areas, a Coleman cookstove or small BBQ run off the small propane cylinders enable you to cook. Even make your morning coffee. (I have an old fashioned percolator that goes on the woodstove or BBQ). People just dont bother to think about it but even the local news tells people to stock up on meds, food, petfood, etc etc etc for a minimum of 3 days.

    And it's odd that you use criticism of local PUDs to deflect from realities. I dont control PUD. I do however, have many back up plans and dont go cold or hungry. I have plenty of supplies and light. Developed plans over the years.
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Paschendale.

    If you can, report in tomorrow and let us know. Good luck! We're apparently on the outer fringes of the thing in NE Ohio, and the snow is really piling up here. I wonder what it's going to look like in the morning?
    Good luck to you! We're only expecting 3-5. No delays or closures announced.

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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    You can build a really good heater with candles and clay gardening pots, google up the specs, it works, the clay pots radiate the heat.
    I've seen those. There doesnt seem to be a danger of CO poisoning with those. Some really cool ideas on cooling small spaces too...also with clay pots. Similar to swamp coolers.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I had to carry the wood to the house while injured. I split wood all summer.

    *sigh* And you dont sleep with your clothes on ...as I wrote...you set them out and then bring them into your bed or sleeping bag before you get up to warm them. This isnt rocket science, I certainly didnt invent it.

    But down to the teens in degrees (my personal experience here and in the North east), clothing layers and down quilts plus today's LEDs will keep people reasonably comfortable and with light. No generators or wood burning needed. If cold enough, with a couple of coolers, you can save most of what's in your fridge too, at least for 3 or 4 days. If you have an outdoor areas, a Coleman cookstove or small BBQ run off the small propane cylinders enable you to cook. Even make your morning coffee. (I have an old fashioned percolator that goes on the woodstove or BBQ). People just dont bother to think about it but even the local news tells people to stock up on meds, food, petfood, etc etc etc for a minimum of 3 days.

    And it's odd that you use criticism of local PUDs to deflect from realities. I dont control PUD. I do however, have many back up plans and dont go cold or hungry. I have plenty of supplies and light. Developed plans over the years.
    you're making the assumption I don't already own all that junk. I in fact own every piece of equipment you have stated.

    except for firewood, because it's useless to me as I have no wood stove or fireplace

    that's great you're ready to immediately live like you're at the base camp at mount Everest. I will try to use some modern convienence until I have no choice....

    and I have plenty of outdoor experience. that lifestyle is risky compared to modern living. It's fun to rough it for three days then come home and take a shower. I prefer not to live like that day in and day out.

    I can use my sharp stick to point at a sabertoothed cat looking at taking the mammoth I just ran into a snow pit too, but I'd rather just set up my little propane grill and cook a can of black beans then take them inside to my warm house... and since we apparently both live in rural areas, this discussion is useless towards how someone living in a public housing block is going to heat their 500 square foot unit and what they're going to do until the Bodega is reopened with enough supplies. maybe you can provide a whole REI wardrobe to someone living in an apartment building so they can rough it too....
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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    you're making the assumption I don't already own all that junk. I in fact own every piece of equipment you have stated.

    except for firewood, because it's useless to me as I have no wood stove or fireplace

    that's great you're ready to immediately live like you're at the base camp at mount Everest. I will try to use some modern convienence until I have no choice....

    and I have plenty of outdoor experience. that lifestyle is risky compared to modern living. It's fun to rough it for three days then come home and take a shower. I prefer not to live like that day in and day out.

    I can use my sharp stick to point at a sabertoothed cat looking at taking the mammoth I just ran into a snow pit too, but I'd rather just set up my little propane grill and cook a can of black beans then take them inside to my warm house... and since we apparently both live in rural areas, this discussion is useless towards how someone living in a public housing block is going to heat their 500 square foot unit and what they're going to do until the Bodega is reopened with enough supplies. maybe you can provide a whole REI wardrobe to someone living in an apartment building so they can rough it too....
    Actually I particularly spoke to those that didnt have their own 'spaces' in my post. Did you miss it?

    And my gear isnt any different than my camping gear (it is my camping gear)...just more accessible in the winter. Plus I have a camper for the back of my truck that could set me up just fine (not even on the back of the truck) with propane...heater, stove, water, etc. But the woodstove, LEDs, propane heated hot water heater, Kindle...I'm pretty comfortable except I'm not set up for the Internet. I just tether my tablet to my phone and keep them juiced with my car. It's not like it's anything particularly arduous or out of the ordinary.

    My point is that many people dont take the most basic measures to be prepared. Or even think it through properly. You were still putting ice cold clothes on in the morning
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: New York City mayor: 'Don't underestimate this storm'

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    if you fear a power outage,i wonder what backups could work in your arfea.if you live in an apartment,a generator is a nogo,unless you want to suspend it outside the window to avoid carbon monoxide.a solar panel wont work because of cloud coverage plus snow blocking the panel.i guess you could have a battery bank charged by solar and use it when power goes out conservatively,or one of though wall charge jump start/power supple boxes with built in inverters.



    but in all prepperness,people in the northeast big cities are kinda screwed,most backup power supplies arent viable and those that are arent viable in an urban environment.
    http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-APS.../dp/B0007PGAG6

    I use a version of ths to convert DC batteries to AC power in case of a power outage. You can increase reserve by adding more batteries in parallel. The system kicks over automatically, keeps the batteries charged, and recharges them after use. Only plug in those things you absolutely need and use a kerosene heater for heat. Fill containers with water ahead of time and of course fill your gas tank before the storm if you have a car.
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