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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actions speak louder than words. Ever heard that before?
    Indeed they do and some of us are able to give credit where credit is due. The President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia warned Federal Police about Monis back in 2008. ACTIONS do speak louder than words and that's a good thing isn't it?

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    The examples of lip service you posted still doesn't explain why Muslims from Australia would join ISIS.
    Vulnerable people do stupid things everywhere, it's not just isolated to Australia. There are many examples of this already in this thread should you care to read.

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    The apologists are so gullible, they'll fall for anything. They're nothing more than useful idiots for the jihadists.
    I don't disagree and i don't see any apologists posting in this thread.
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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Imo, this shows that there is a psychological need which is not being met, and it's not anything to do with education. There seems to be a part of the human psyche (in many, but not all of us) which needs an ideological endeavor, separate from that which intellect provides. It may just be that in our current states of existence/ societal conditions, we aren't being challenged enough just for survival, and have too much idle time on our hands. What is that old saying, "Idle hands are the devil's workshop". It's not that I even believe in a "devil", but I think there is merit to that idea.

    My thoughts exactly. It just goes to show how listless and otherwise "soft" modern Western culture has become for a lot of people.

    They need something more to live for. Unfortunately, it seems like the misguided fanaticism of ISIS is providing exactly such an outlet for some people.

    It's scary stuff, but it's not exactly unprecedented. Just think of the kind of psychological sway movements like Nazism and Red Communism were able to instill in populations just a few decades ago, for example.
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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Indeed they do and some of us are able to give credit where credit is due. The President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia warned Federal Police about Monis back in 2008. ACTIONS do speak louder than words and that's a good thing isn't it?
    Warned them of what?



    Vulnerable people do stupid things everywhere, it's not just isolated to Australia. There are many examples of this already in this thread should you care to read.
    I never said it had anything to do with Australia. Don't lie about my comments.



    I don't disagree and i don't see any apologists posting in this thread.
    Apologists are all over this thread. They come out of the woodwork, whenever Islam needs to be protected, calling anyone who dares criticize sacred Islam a bigot
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Warned them of what?
    You asked "what is going on with the Muslim Community". I showed you responses to the most recent act of extremism in Australia from the Muslim Community. I also showed you where the individual in question responsible for those acts was reported to the Authorities back in 2008 by the President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia because they were concerned about his behaviour as far back as then.


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    I never said it had anything to do with Australia. Don't lie about my comments.
    Ahh so you weren't talking about Australia in a thread about Australians. Ohhhkay then.
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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea it is normal to treat fellow human beings the way Australia treats its refugees... sure.... after all Papa New Guinea is paradise on Earth right?
    Firstly, the illegal immigrants that attempt to land on Australian shores are not refugees. Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country on earth so they are not seeking refuge from anything. They are not persecuted in Indonesia and have no valid reason to leave. The difference between the Australian government and the Indonesian government, is that the Australian government automatically gives welfare (and lots of it) to illegal immigrants and the Indonesian government does not. The illegal immigrants are seeking a better economic situation which they get through welfare in Australia. Wanting to have more money in one's life does not make one a refugee escaping from either political or religious persecution.

    Secondly, under the previous Labor government, over 1200 people drowned at sea trying to get here. The Liberal government stopped the loss of life by attempting to prevent boats loaded with people sinking at sea. Now, I will admit that New Guinea is not an ideal situation because when the illegals are released into the community, they will take jobs from New Guinea natives.

    There was a protest a few days ago in Sydney with a group that has been branded a terrorist organisation in most of the rest of the Western nations, but not in Australia, demanding Sharia Law be in Australia and demanding that Australia become a Muslim nation. At the moment that is ridiculous of course because they don't have the numbers, that won't happen for several years yet. You can perhaps see why some Australians, those who are aware and don't have their heads buried in the sand, are a tad nervous. Coupled with the Sydney siege in December last year and the numbers joining ISIS, the high rates of Muslim criminals and the conversion of many in the prison system, it makes some Australians worried for the future. Despite all of this, there is very little, if any, persecution of Muslims in Australia.

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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    You asked "what is going on with the Muslim Community". I showed you responses to the most recent act of extremism in Australia from the Muslim Community. I also showed you where the individual in question responsible for those acts was reported to the Authorities back in 2008 by the President of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia because they were concerned about his behaviour as far back as then.
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    Ahh so you weren't talking about Australia in a thread about Australians. Ohhhkay then.
    I didn't blame Australia, nor Australians, as you suggested when you lied about my post. Stop lying about my comments.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    Secondly, under the previous Labor government, over 1200 people drowned at sea trying to get here. The Liberal government stopped the loss of life by attempting to prevent boats loaded with people sinking at sea. Now, I will admit that New Guinea is not an ideal situation because when the illegals are released into the community, they will take jobs from New Guinea natives.
    Australias treatment of asylum seekers is an absolute disgrace. Feel free to start a thread relating to it over in the Aussie forum so as not to derail this one and i'll happily engage you on it there.

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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    There was a protest a few days ago in Sydney with a group that has been branded a terrorist organisation in most of the rest of the Western nations, but not in Australia, demanding Sharia Law be in Australia and demanding that Australia become a Muslim nation. At the moment that is ridiculous of course because they don't have the numbers, that won't happen for several years yet. You can perhaps see why some Australians, those who are aware and don't have their heads buried in the sand, are a tad nervous. Coupled with the Sydney siege in December last year and the numbers joining ISIS, the high rates of Muslim criminals and the conversion of many in the prison system, it makes some Australians worried for the future.
    The smart Australian already understands the need to remain vigilant and recognise that extremism is just one thing that we need to be aware of. There are 4.6 million people living in Sydney. There was a protest of around 800 morons. Do the math, that's 0.01% of the population.

    I'm concerned about the rise in the National Road toll that we've seen already in 2015, i'm concerned that i'm increasingly having to sit in an ambulance with seriously ill patients outside of emergency departments at major hospitals for hours sometimes because the health system is crumbling, i'm concerned about the state of the Education Department, the significant drop in Iron Ore pricing that has just seen a significant job loss in SA etc etc. They are just some of the things that are foremost in my mind right now.

    0.01% of the population protesting? Being aware of it and staying vigilent about the possibilities of extremists acts is wise. Pretending that it's even close to the biggest issue our Country has right now and focussing solely on that is foolish.



    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    Despite all of this, there is very little, if any, persecution of Muslims in Australia.
    I guess if you live in Betoota that might be accurate.
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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Not really.
    1.) Australia has been a staunch ally of the US in the war of terror.. err on terror. In fact I would almost claim it has been the most loyal of all. They have been heavily involved in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    good for Australia

    2.) Australia has a large Muslim community.. about 2.2-5% of the population, especially from Lebanon. There has been illegal immigration from most of Asia towards Australia and many, if not most, are Muslims. These people are treated like dirt by the Australians, and that often does not exactly go down well among other Muslims.
    SLight correction. They treat everyone else like ****. They see Australian girls as whores who can be raped. They are heavily involved in crime.

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    .) Lonely and impressionable people are in general easy to con into such situations. Before (and still) many in the west were conned into organisations like Scientology or Christian cults. This is no different. And often these cults use things like love/sex to lure people into the cult. I remember Jehovas witness coming up to my door .. 2 men. I tell them to go away.. next time, two hot women knock on the door.
    exceptting the mass murder stuff

    There are sadly many cases of girls being lured into situations by men.. lured into the sex trade to going to Syria to become a jihad bride. There was just a case of a woman in an European country.. Austria or Holland/Belgium I think, who went to Syria to pull out her teenage daughter who had taken on a holiday to Turkey and only to join her "boyfriend" in Syria. She then regretted it but could not leave.. until her mother came and got her back and now she is awaiting trial in her home country.
    So lets see the details of this great tragedy.

    Or the many many cases of women and men who join cults across the world. I remember that many in the Wacho stand off were in fact young women and men that had "disappeared" from their families and were known to be lonely and highly impressionable.

    So basically.. it is not new at all.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Australian women 'joining IS foreign fighters'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's always someone else's fault, but the terrorists. Huh?
    So now refugees from Asia are terrorist to you?
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