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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The thing is that even if Iraq had any such weapons then it would not justify the invasion of Iraq, and the USA has a long vivid history of covering up our past lies with a new set of lies which is what that link describes, so the truth is trampled under no matter what anyone believes, because the Bush warmongers were going to war against Saddam Husein no matter what.

    As to Saddam violating the cease-fire then yes I know that Iraq did that but it was a sucker punch against the warmongers to draw them out.

    The so called cease fire was an idiotic arrangement created by the USA which allowed for continual harassment of Iraq and yes Saddam violated it and he did it as a tactic against our belligerence.

    Still Iraq shooting at our enemy aircraft over their territory was not a justification for the USA to invade Iraq.
    Fine, your opinion.

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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    That took us off the thread topic.

    The USA is still trying to play our sucker games in the Ukraine and against Russia while Russia really does have their own weapons of mass destruction which can kill every American in less than half an hour, so our side really needs to grow up and to grow up fast.
    Wow - I am still off topic, as I got this one confused with another thread.

    Topic here = "Will Japan go to war with ISIS"
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    That's not what I read. I many cases, the Iraqi army never even fought, they just fled. One report was about a few hundred ISIS running off thousands of Iraqi troops.

    How did 800 ISIS fighters rout 2 Iraqi divisions? | Military Times | militarytimes.com

    As far as the total number of fighters they have, that's very debateable. It's not like a country where we have official numbers. And some people may seem to be ISIS fighters one day, and local farmers the next day.

    ISIS Has 9,000
    Regardless of what the numbers are, ISIS moved in a group of more than a few people. Even 800 troops makes a foot print that can be easily targeted.
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Regardless of what the numbers are, ISIS moved in a group of more than a few people. Even 800 troops makes a foot print that can be easily targeted.

    The reason they stopped moving in large numbers, is because we started bombing them, and they adapted.

    My point is that this would have happened regardless of the exact day we first started bombing them.

    The only way we would have been able to kill the majority of them is if we could have done it virtually instantly, before they had time to disperse. We would have had to been able to plan and practice for a "shock and awe" type attack, but the problem with that was shock and awe was on fixed targets, mostly buildings, however ISIS was never a fixed target.

    But what do I know, I'm a printer, not a military strategist?
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The reason they stopped moving in large numbers, is because we started bombing them, and they adapted.

    My point is that this would have happened regardless of the exact day we first started bombing them.

    The only way we would have been able to kill the majority of them is if we could have done it virtually instantly, before they had time to disperse. We would have had to been able to plan and practice for a "shock and awe" type attack, but the problem with that was shock and awe was on fixed targets, mostly buildings, however ISIS was never a fixed target.

    But what do I know, I'm a printer, not a military strategist?
    Planning and practicing for a swift, violent and deadly attack is SOP. American forces train for that literally everyday. While ISIS was in the open, we could have used our satellites to find them, our air supremacy to fix them and the Iraqi Army to envelope and destroy them. It would have been one of the most basic operations there is.
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Planning and practicing for a swift, violent and deadly attack is SOP. American forces train for that literally everyday. While ISIS was in the open, we could have used our satellites to find them, our air supremacy to fix them and the Iraqi Army to envelope and destroy them. It would have been one of the most basic operations there is.
    The Iraqi army was useless.

    Anyhow, since when did the US command the military of other countries? Since when did defending another country which we have no mutual protection pack with become the responsibility of the US?

    ISIS is certainly evil, but so are basically all of those people. None of them are truly our friends. I have no issue with them killing each other off. That's their problem.

    I do however feel that it is in our best interest to ensure that ISIS, or any other radical group, doesn't spread to the US. I don't think it is likely that it will, but it makes sense to me for us to provide minimal (just enough) support to contain ISIS.

    Assuming that ISIS did have a force of 30,000, and assuming that the recent estimate that we (the coalition) has killed around 6,000 ISIS fighters during the past few months, then that's 20% of ISIS that is decimated, without a single loss of American fighters. The action that we have taken seems to me to have been pretty darned successful.
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    The Bush admin lies about the WMD certainly was one of the lies - when there was no such thing.

    There was also the lie that Saddam Husein helped with the 9/11 attack - which he did not.

    That Iraq posed as a threat to the USA - another lie.

    The lie that the Geneva Convention does not protect the prisoners - so our torture of human beings was a barbaric lie.

    And there really are lots more, link = Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com


    So much for any true concern about our spies getting their heads cut off.

    Why would we pay ransom when we can get some new fool to take their place. ~ Sarcasm.

    It might be different if you were the one being held for ransom, or if you had any human feelings for the one getting executed - but no.

    And it is noteworthy that their side ask for a ransom out of a long traditional respect during warfare, while our side will not ask for ransom as our side is completely unreasonable (unable to be reasoned with).


    Nonsense, no one lied about WMD.

    That's just a Democrat talking point put out to influence their gullible constituents.

    In 2008 the US Airforce flew out of Iraq over 5 metric tons of Yellow Cake Uranium.

    Prior to giving Bush authorization to go into Iraq the Democrats repeatedly amd publicly spoke out for the need to address Saddam Hussein GROWING WMD program.

    Top Democrats like Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Kerry and Al Gore all publicly raised alarms over the fact that Saddam Hussein had WMD and was had Nuclear aspirations.

    And what " torture " ? Waterboarding 3 low life terrorist ? That's not torture.

    Both parties were briefed and aware of these enhanced interogation techniques and allowed the CIA is to follow through gaining important information that led to the killing off OBL.

    And paying ransom to terrorist is a foolish Foreign Policy decision and those decisions shouldn't be made on a case by case basis.

    As a Nation your policy on hostages shouldn't motivate your enemies to capture and kill more of your innocent civilians. Thats just stupid policy.

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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The Iraqi army was useless.

    Anyhow, since when did the US command the military of other countries? Since when did defending another country which we have no mutual protection pack with become the responsibility of the US?

    ISIS is certainly evil, but so are basically all of those people. None of them are truly our friends. I have no issue with them killing each other off. That's their problem.

    I do however feel that it is in our best interest to ensure that ISIS, or any other radical group, doesn't spread to the US. I don't think it is likely that it will, but it makes sense to me for us to provide minimal (just enough) support to contain ISIS.

    Assuming that ISIS did have a force of 30,000, and assuming that the recent estimate that we (the coalition) has killed around 6,000 ISIS fighters during the past few months, then that's 20% of ISIS that is decimated, without a single loss of American fighters. The action that we have taken seems to me to have been pretty darned successful.
    The Iraqi Army was useless, because we didn't give them the supporr we promised. It was history repeating itself, exactly 30 years later.
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Fine, your opinion.
    Such things are just "opinions" because we live in a criminal Country of the USA.

    If we were a Country of laws and of principles and integrity then there would not any such opinions.

    As in going to wars based on lies would be seen as a criminal act and not as an opinion.

    The torture of human beings would be a crime and not a debatable opinion.

    So too there is no real war with ISIL unless the US Congress votes and declares the war, and that is seen as an opinion because we are a criminal Country.
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    Re: Will Japan go to war with ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Such things are just "opinions" because we live in a criminal Country of the USA.

    If we were a Country of laws and of principles and integrity then there would not any such opinions.

    As in going to wars based on lies would be seen as a criminal act and not as an opinion.

    The torture of human beings would be a crime and not a debatable opinion.

    So too there is no real war with ISIL unless the US Congress votes and declares the war, and that is seen as an opinion because we are a criminal Country.
    Your opinion as well.

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