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Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

:lamo ... :doh But if that's truly the case, why has no President since Reagan - even when our problems with Iran's anti-American rhetoric and radicalism first began - has ever done anything militarily against them? The ONLY country that's ever gone to war with Iran since the 1980's has been Iraq. So, if we're giving credit to any country's leadership for exercising said "strength and force" as you exclaim well, GWB made sure Iraq's ruler would never demonstrate to the world how best to handle the Iran's Supreme Leader. :roll:

Tell "W" I said thanks! :2wave:

....:roll:
I don't think anything you wrote there actually addresses his claim that Iran isn't interested in negotiation or will respond only to strength and force. Those seem to be pretty obvious truths. Even many democrats believe Iran is just using these supposed talks as a means to stall, and strength and force doesn't have to mean military action but could also include very tight sanctions.
 
President Obama told an Israeli television station on Thursday that his administration believed it would take Iran “over a year or so” to develop a nuclear weapon, and he vowed that the United States would do whatever was necessary to prevent that from happening. “Right now, we think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon, but obviously we don’t want to cut it too close,” Mr. Obama told the Israeli station, Channel 2 TV. Mr. Obama’s estimated timeline contrasts with Mr. Netanyahu’s stated belief that Israel and its Western allies are likely to have to intervene by the spring or summer, when, he says, Iran’s scientists will have enriched enough uranium to become a nuclear threat. Iran denies that its nuclear program has any military aim.

Mr. Obama has rarely been so specific about how long American intelligence agencies estimate it will take Iran to build a bomb. In defining the problem as he did — when Iran could get a weapon, rather than when it could have the capability to build one — he subtly indicated that he and Mr. Netanyahu still saw the problem in very different terms. Mr. Obama, in the interview, offered a different estimate: How long it would take Iran to build a full weapon. That would mean enriching enough uranium; fashioning it into a weapon, surrounded by detonators; and being able to be delivered by airplane, cargo ship or missile.

In saying that day was over a year away, he was echoing what intelligence agencies have said to him about their estimates of Iran’s “breakout” capability how long it would take Iranian nuclear scientists to turn their stockpiles of fuel into a working weapon. Mr. Obama has never talked about stopping Iran from achieving weapons capability......snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/w...pon-to-take-year-or-more-obama-says.html?_r=0
Published: March 14, 2013 <<<<< !


Hows BO peep and his Team look?

they look pretty good
22 months later and no nuclear capacity
however, if talks cease, be assured iran will develop a nuclear capability
having a nuclear armed israel as a neighbor compels it
 
From Reuters:

The U.S. Senate Banking Committee voted 18-4 on Thursday to advance a bill that would toughen sanctions on Iran if international negotiators fail to reach an agreement on Tehran's nuclear program by the end of June.

However, the bill is not expected to come for a vote in the full Senate until at least March 24, after a group of senators, in the face of President Barack Obama's threat to veto the measure, reached an agreement to hold off for two months to allow time to reach a diplomatic solution.


Senate panel advances Iran sanctions bill | Reuters

IMO, this is reasonable legislation. It also allows for ample time to reach an agreement related to Iran's nuclear activities.
 
I don't think anything you wrote there actually addresses his claim that Iran isn't interested in negotiation or will respond only to strength and force. Those seem to be pretty obvious truths. Even many democrats believe Iran is just using these supposed talks as a means to stall, and strength and force doesn't have to mean military action but could also include very tight sanctions.

To be clear, Iran has only sought to be an instigator of anti-Americanism since the late 1970's/early 1980's. To add a little perspective, it was Iran who allowed AQ terrorist passage through their country using forged VISAs. So, I totally understand that they can't be trusted. All I'm saying is that no U.S. president since Reagan has done anything about the Iran problem and yet so many Conservatives complain about Pres. Obama's handling of the nuclear issue/sanctions as if other presidents have done more.

Let's not be so hypercritical about things is all about saying. Give the President credit where due. Iran has seen some of, if not, the toughest economic sanctions of any sitting President since Carter. I see nothing wrong with some monetary concessions as long as Iran halts its nuclear weapons enrichment process. If not, put the sanctions back in place only make them more hurtful.
 
Congress appropriates funds, NOT the President....You should know that. But $3 billion is a drop in the bucket, it should be more.


This is a example why I call Bullsh** on conservatives whining about debt.
 
This is a example why I call Bullsh** on conservatives whining about debt.

Another Bonehead move backfiring on Boehner, as well as Netanyahu.
Obama now up to 50%, Boehner being scoured by both sides, and Netanyahu getting beat up at home by his own press and losing election ground .
 
they look pretty good
22 months later and no nuclear capacity
however, if talks cease, be assured iran will develop a nuclear capability
having a nuclear armed israel as a neighbor compels it



Say what.....try again. You must have missed the Part where The NY Times points out about all those who gave BO peep the assessment. Which says nothing of you thinking you had something with the Citation request.

So wrong on the Nuclear Capability as they have been enriching this whole time.

Oh, is that all you thought about. Israel.....no wonder you can't figure out that part about the Saud and what they said about if Iran gets the Nuke. Notice how they don't mention anything about Israel.

But nice try on carrying BO peeps water for him. Looks like you will have to do a whole lot better. As denying reality didn't help you.
 
I don't think anything you wrote there actually addresses his claim that Iran isn't interested in negotiation or will respond only to strength and force. Those seem to be pretty obvious truths. Even many democrats believe Iran is just using these supposed talks as a means to stall, and strength and force doesn't have to mean military action but could also include very tight sanctions.

If the term "stalling" means buying time to get something accomplished, then I agree. Iran has spent too much time and money to just say "OK we'll stop if you lift the sanctions." Israel and Saudi Arabia don't believe them and they're closer to the problem...we're on the other side of the world.
 
If the term "stalling" means buying time to get something accomplished, then I agree. Iran has spent too much time and money to just say "OK we'll stop if you lift the sanctions." Israel and Saudi Arabia don't believe them and they're closer to the problem...we're on the other side of the world.

Look to the past history as to why they do not trust the US- Look to recent history as to why they do not trust the US - look to the hardliners on both side to ff things up = Look to the reason why the Iranians want the capability to build a bomb.
 
:lamo ... :doh But if that's truly the case, why has no President since Reagan - even when our problems with Iran's anti-American rhetoric and radicalism first began - has ever done anything militarily against them? The ONLY country that's ever gone to war with Iran since the 1980's has been Iraq. So, if we're giving credit to any country's leadership for exercising said "strength and force" as you exclaim well, GWB made sure Iraq's ruler would never demonstrate to the world how best to handle the Iran's Supreme Leader. :roll:

Tell "W" I said thanks! :2wave:

....:roll:

Obama is the first president since Carter that mistakenly believes that the Iranians are interested in negotiations. At least Carter can honestly say he didn't know any better.
 
Obama is the first president since Carter that mistakenly believes that the Iranians are interested in negotiations. At least Carter can honestly say he didn't know any better.

if iran is not interested in negotiations, why is it continuing to participate in them
 
if iran is not interested in negotiations, why is it continuing to participate in them

Because they're getting everything they want. These aren't negotiations; they're a give away. Who's going to walk away from a give away?
 
Because they're getting everything they want. These aren't negotiations; they're a give away. Who's going to walk away from a give away?

so far the iranians have given up their development of a nuclear weapon while participating in these negotiations
that should tell a reasonable person that these talks are genuine
 
so far the iranians have given up their development of a nuclear weapon while participating in these negotiations
that should tell a reasonable person that these talks are genuine

:lol:

:) Sure. Because it's not like they have a long history of being deliberately deceptive about their nuclear program.


The nuclear program and weaponization is almost universally popular in Iran, an (given the example of North Korea) a major strategic objective for the state that wishes to A) avoid future opposition and B) extend regional hegemony. Furthermore, President Rouhani was the guy who originally proposed a strategy of drawing out negotiations while Iran continued to build in secret back when he was Iran's lead negotiator. That's part of why Rafsanjani backed him in the last election (as he couldn't run himself). The idea that the Iranians are being genuine is dependent upon a rejection of the available evidence and a refusal to study Iranian politics or strategic culture. It's like saying we're gonna elect Rand Paul to be President because we trust him to expand the social welfare state.
 
if iran is not interested in negotiations, why is it continuing to participate in them

Because it buys them the time they need, and they were able to get the administration to lift sanctions simply in return for them sitting down.
 
Because it buys them the time they need, and they were able to get the administration to lift sanctions simply in return for them sitting down.

but another poster from your side has insisted that 22 months ago it was anticipated the iranians would have nuclear capacity within 12 months ... 10 months ago
that iran has not developed nuclear capability should tell a reasonable person that these negotiations have been beneficial thus far
 
but another poster from your side has insisted that 22 months ago it was anticipated the iranians would have nuclear capacity within 12 months ... 10 months ago
that iran has not developed nuclear capability should tell a reasonable person that these negotiations have been beneficial thus far

1. I would have to take a look at the assessments.

2. Given Iran's long history of deceptive practices, what in the world makes you think that we in the public sphere are aware of their current nuclear capability?
 
:lol:

:) Sure. Because it's not like they have a long history of being deliberately deceptive about their nuclear program.
yes, because all other nations with nuclear capability developed that in full view of the international community
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The nuclear program and weaponization is almost universally popular in Iran,
because it should be
what iranian citizen should feel comfortable knowing that a nuclear armed israel, a nation that cannot be found temperate in its use of force, could decimate their nation while being without nuclear parity

an (given the example of North Korea) a major strategic objective for the state that wishes to A) avoid future opposition
reasonable government policy or do you believe that your own government should discontinue ensuring the safety of yourself and your family. if you do not believe such termination of a strong defensive posture is wise, then why should it be found so for the iranian citizens

and B) extend regional hegemony.
let's see, iran's major opposition in the region is a nuclear power, yet you find iran the one seeking to assert hegemony. i can only conclude you do not fully understand the meaning of that term

Furthermore, President Rouhani was the guy who originally proposed a strategy of drawing out negotiations while Iran continued to build in secret back when he was Iran's lead negotiator. That's part of why Rafsanjani backed him in the last election (as he couldn't run himself).
as opposed to developing nuclear weapons out in the open. like what other nation?

The idea that the Iranians are being genuine is dependent upon a rejection of the available evidence and a refusal to study Iranian politics or strategic culture.
let's review which nations have nuclear capacity and which ones are inclined to initiate warfare. and when looking at israel and iran the results are compelling. iran has no nuclear capability and has not initiated warfare with another state in over a century
in contrast, israel does have nuclear weapons - developed in secrecy by the way - and has initiated warfare against another people within the past year
no iranian should feel comfortable being without nuclear parity with israel

It's like saying we're gonna elect Rand Paul to be President because we trust him to expand the social welfare state.
no, it's like the israelis can now kick their ass with nuclear weapons so iran better arm itself in kind in self defense
 
so far the iranians have given up their development of a nuclear weapon while participating in these negotiations
that should tell a reasonable person that these talks are genuine

My, look at what the reasonable people are doing:

Iran is encouraging its terror allies to pursue the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s children by publishing personal information about them, including photographs of the kids lined up in crosshairs, and declaring, “We must await the hunt of Hezbollah.”

...The information was originally published in Farsi by an Iranian website affiliated with the IRGC and quickly republished by Iran’s state-controlled Fars News Agency.

In addition to biographical details and pictures of Netanyahu’s children, the Iranians provided details about the families of former prime ministers Ehud Olmert and Ariel Sharon....

Yeah. They seem like nice folks. We can probably trust these guys.
 
My, look at what the reasonable people are doing:



Yeah. They seem like nice folks. We can probably trust these guys.

no way does the mossad undertake assassinations on foreign lands in israel's self interest
wait, that's ok because it's israel
 
yes, because all other nations with nuclear capability developed that in full view of the international community

Precisely. So if our goal is to prevent Iran from developing nuclear capability, then gosh, maybe we should, oh, I dunno, incorporate that.


because it should be
what iranian citizen should feel comfortable knowing that a nuclear armed israel, a nation that cannot be found temperate in its use of force, could decimate their nation while being without nuclear parity

:shrug: if you want to argue that Iran should have nuclear weapons, that's a separate issue. However, recognizing that it is rational of Iran to highly prioritize a very popular program doesn't exactly do much for your argument that we can instead trust Iranian politicians when they pretty-promise that they won't, especially after they have already been caught lying about it.

reasonable government policy or do you believe that your own government should discontinue ensuring the safety of yourself and your family. if you do not believe such termination of a strong defensive posture is wise, then why should it be found so for the iranian citizens

Again, you are only weakening your earlier argument here.

let's see, iran's major opposition in the region is a nuclear power

That is incorrect. Iran's major opposition in the region is not a nuclear power, but intends to become so if Iran does. Hooray, now the sunni-shia fight is nuclear! There's no possible way that goes badly!

yet you find iran the one seeking to assert hegemony. i can only conclude you do not fully understand the meaning of that term

On the contrary - I state that they seek regional hegemony and I am pretty comfortably within the vast mainstream of analysts of Iranian intentions when I say that. Having nuclear weaponry would be invaluable in forcing their will upon regional states. Oh, you don't like that we've just flipped the government of Bahrain? Feel free to go to war with us over it - oh, but you can't, we've got a nuke. It allows them to pursue the same kind of regional aggression that they are already engaging in, but effectively without check.

as opposed to developing nuclear weapons out in the open. like what other nation?

Again, you are only weakening your earlier argument that we can trust the Iranians to cease development, or that we can trust that our current knowledge of their development is accurate.

let's review which nations have nuclear capacity and which ones are inclined to initiate warfare. and when looking at israel and iran the results are compelling. iran ... has not initiated warfare with another state in over a century

:lol: yeah. Because Iran has never even heard of Hezbollah, or the Qods-Force, or Moqtada al-Sadr.

Iran is the largest state supporter of terrorism in the world. It's not cpwill saying it, it's the Obama' Administrations' own State Department saying it.

Iran has no nuclear capability

Yeah. that's what we're trying to keep.

no, it's like the israelis can now kick their ass with nuclear weapons so iran better arm itself in kind in self defense

Again, you are only weakening your original claims. If you wish to abandon them, that's fine.
 
no way does the mossad undertake assassinations on foreign lands in israel's self interest
wait, that's ok because it's israel

:) Strawman much?

But hey, if you can show me Israel telling it's proxies to murder Rouhani's (or a similar figure)' children as part of a negotiating tactic, I'd be interested to see that.
 
:) Strawman much?

But hey, if you can show me Israel telling it's proxies to murder Rouhani's (or a similar figure)' children as part of a negotiating tactic, I'd be interested to see that.

notice you are not denying that israel's mossad engages in the same form of political assassinations

but resent that iran dares do the same
 
Sure. Because it's not like they have a long history of being deliberately deceptive about their nuclear program.
Deceptive? That fits the bill of six of the nine current nuclear capable states; and a few of the former nuclear capable states (e.g. South Africa).

as opposed to developing nuclear weapons out in the open. like what other nation?
 
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