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Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

j-mac said:
Oh please...Obama has made it perfectly clear to anyone with functioning eyes, that should Israel be attacked he would not shed a tear.
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Got any links to prove that or did you pull that out of an orifice. Yeah that's what I thought.
 
Grim17 said:
What's the matter Nimby? Affraid to acknowledge how the Palestinians responded to Israel abandoning the Gaza settlements in the name of peace?
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Nah.....he don't like when he gets shown up. Kind of like BO peeps. :mrgreen:
 
11Bravo said:
It's not the politicians at stake, it's the innocent people of Israel, that were told they'd be exterminated by a mighty powerful Iran.
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You mean like the Palistineans and their third world weapons? God were they ever a threat to a country that has all the modern weapons.
 
pbrauer said:
The fact is that Israel could Nuke anyone of those country's of the face of the Earth.
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That's true, but they haven't done so and won't... Do you think Israel would still exist if the Palestinians had nuclear weapons?
 
Grim17 said:
Money to help Israel DEFEND itself is morally, the right thing to do. They are completely surrounded by people who if they had their way, would wipe the Jewish people off the face of the earth. Comparing that to opposing aid to countries that are not our allies, that engage in state sponsored terrorism, that mistreat women and minorities, and wouldn't shed it tear if America was nuked off the planet, is an apples to oranges comparison at best.
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I hear this rational all the time and let me say it's very flimsy.

First off, there are several other countries that are encompassed by their regional enemies that could use the aid - both financial and militarily - of the world's riches and most powerful nation, but because we've called Israel an ally since the Truman era and we, as a nation, more closely ally ourselves with Christian nations moreso than nations that follow any other religion, peaceful or otherwise, it's real easy to fall back on "moral alignments among allies" than it is to just do the right thing for any nation or group of people who are being oppressed or otherwise slaughtered by a singular dictator or tyrannical terrorist group.

Second, it's hypercritical on its face to say "it's okay to spend billions to help Israel defend itself" yet denounce federal foreign aid spending not for bombs or missiles (i.e., Israel's Iron Shield) but for food, water and medicine for people in need.

You guys really crack me up!

I'm a long way from saying let Israel, an ally, defend itself. But I also believe that sending foreign aid to lesser capable nations who are being much more oppressed by tyrants is also the right thing to do.
 
clownboy said:
Oh c'mon, there's just as much seething hate displayed for the entire "right". Same circle jerk, different target.
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No, there's not. The level of it may be the same, but the sheer number of posters exhibiting it is not.
 
vesper said:
Ask yourself why has the opinion of Obama taken a huge dive in Israel? As of last year over 70% of Israeli's had an unfavorable opinion of Obama and his administration. They distrust him and do not think he has their best interest at heart.

Obama approval ratings dive in Israel on Iran and Peace Talks
If you think for one minute that Iran is going to give up its pursuance of nuclear abilities, I have a ball of dryer lint I would like to sell you.
When a government (US) unfreezes almost 12 billion dollars in assets to Iran, a country that funds several terrorist organizations whose purpose in life is to attack Israel, is a good place to start. Then add to that Kerry's peace talks between the Palestinians and Israel. That was the cherry on the sundae that made Israeli's realize Obama could not be trusted.
Israeli minister attacks Kerry over boycott warnings | Reuters
Now that there is a majority in Congress that have been against the actions this administration has engaged with Iran coupled with some strong support of Democrats who are also at odds with the president's policies, one can only hope that they can be stopped with a super majority. Obama seems a bit concerned. He has P.M. Cameron lobbying the senators on his behalf.
You know these days I find myself holding my breath every time Kerry is sent to represent our country somewhere in the world. "What f-ed up mess will be next?" I ask myself. There are real consequences for elections and baby are we ever feeling them. I look forward to Netanyahu's speech to the joint Congress. I'm sure it will be a show stopper and I pray it will be enough to bring about a solid bi-partisan super majority to stop Obama.
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His favorability rating was down to 10% with the Israelis in 2013.
 
11Bravo said:
Lol can you have a rational debate without flipping out like a child, or is that not gonna happen? Obama is an anti-semite. Not a big deal, no reason for you to flip the table over. I got over it.
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Where is the evidence? Or is this just your opinion?
 
Grim17 said:
That's true, but they haven't done so and won't... Do you think Israel would still exist if the Palestinians had nuclear weapons?
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Yes, I do, because it would be suicide to do it. Plus the land they want would be uninhabitable.
 
11Bravo said:
I guess reading is something we're not doing today. Remember, I said that he's JUST NOW starting to show his true self. We all know he had to pretend to support Israel or he wouldn't have even been elected! Now that his time is near an end, he's just being himself- anti-semite. Can disprove facts.
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You have not posted any facts.

Isreal has one of the most well trained millitaries in the Middle East.
 
Kobie said:
Go link to the post where I claimed it was. Utterly vapid strawman argument. You're somewhat better than that.
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You're giving him too much credit. :mrgreen:
 
Objective Voice said:
I'm a long way from saying let Israel, an ally, defend itself. But I also believe that sending foreign aid to lesser capable nations who are being much more oppressed by tyrants is also the right thing to do.
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Sending money to governments so they can aid the very people that they are responsible for oppressing in the first place, is the definition of idiocy
 
Sherman123 said:
It does seem highly inappropriate for a foreign leader to be bypassing the executive to address Congress. It smacks of political meddling that shouldn't be tolerated. That being said I'm not sure what recourse the President has. His administration is on the way out the door despite protestations to the contrary and it looks as though Mr. Netanyahu will win his reelection. Combine that with high latent support in the US and you aren't left with many moves that can be long lasting.
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Actually he does have recourse. He can veto any bills for futher sanctions from congress that would jeopardize the negotiations. This lame duck thing is overrated. The president can put congress in a stalemate.

Bibbi is here to humiliate the president and suck up to congress for his upcoming election. Any red blooded American should be furious. But Boner and his minions aren't smart enough to know they are being used.

And this will backfire on Bibi. For a guy that is supposed to have a very high I.Q. i'm surprised.
 
11Bravo said:
Obama pretended to not be an anti-semite as much as he pretends to be Christian (he's from an atheist family).
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More unsubstantiated assertions. Are you sure you're not a poster that was banned about 66 posts ago? Your lack of links was just his style.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't believe Obama is an anti-semite. Obama is very much childish and full of himself and he pretty much despises anyone who doesn't kiss his ring or nether regions. You just have to look at him petulantly telling John McCain "I won the election" to know what he is. He doesn't get along with Netanyahu because Bibi sees right through him, doesn't trust him, doesn't respect him and basically thinks he's a fool - that frosts Obama's ass and so he's having a tantrum.
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Oh brother.
 
Some of you hawks act like Israel is a state in the US.

They are a foreign power that does NOT act in the best interest of the USA. If they want to beat the drums of war and ignore any suggestion made by their biggest support, they can do their own thing and leave us out.

We are not responsible for the defense of Israel.
 
Grim17 said:
Suicide huh? It's not as if that has ever stopped them before.
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When has the Palestinians done anything close to nuking Israel? And again, why would they make the land they want radioactive.
 
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