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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You'd win this argument if:

    a) No U.S. president other than Pres. Obama had ever used an Executive Order to get what he wanted; or,

    b) Pres. Obama had issued more EO's than any other President in U.S. history. That record is held by FDR w/3,721 EOs.

    Just as an FYI (because this issue has already been addressed in this thread a number of times)...

    Top 5 U.S. Presidents by number of EO issues:

    FDR - 3,721
    Woodrow Wilson - 1,803
    Coolidge - 1,203
    Teddy Roosevelt - 1,081
    Hoover - 968
    Truman - 907

    Top 5 from last 11 U.S. Presidents (Ike - Obama):

    Ike - 484
    Reagan - 381
    Clinton - 364
    Nixon - 346
    LBJ - 325

    Last 5 U.S. Presidents:

    Reagan - 381
    Clinton - 364
    GWB - 291
    Obama - 200
    GHB - 166

    For a complete list (updated since 01/20/2015), click here (U.S. President Executive Order count).
    Anyone who passed a jr high school civics class knows that the NUMBER of EOs is totally irrelevant. One President could have executed a gazillion EOs and be completely within his authority granted by the Constitution, while another President could have executed just ONE and would have committed an impeachable offense. It is time to get beyond the liberal activist meme education.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Anyone who passed a jr high school civics class knows that the NUMBER of EOs is totally irrelevant. One President could have executed a gazillion EOs and be completely within his authority granted by the Constitution, while another President could have executed just ONE and would have committed an impeachable offense. It is time to get beyond the liberal activist meme education.
    Oh, I'm very aware that "the proof is in the pudding" as the old saying goes. Or to put things another way: Content matters. Thus, the reason I believe many people are being two-faced on this matter.

    Those who are complaining the loudest today said little to nothing about the alleged "above of executive power/executive over-reach" when their guy was in office and THEY themselves gave the President of their party such broad authorities. Yet, the moment the other guy gets into office and uses the same executive power granted to his predecessor to solve problems or streamline processes where Congress won't act in a timely manner, suddenly he's called a tyrant, a king or placed along that same imaginary line as a dictator.

    While I would agree that Presidents since Lincoln (if not earlier than he) have used their executive power to do things that a divided Congress could not come to terms with in a timely fashion to resolve many of the nation's problems, I find it very absurd to think that any President would continue to sit ideally by and do nothing while such a divided Congress continues to have their ideological tiffs. Moreover, if Congress doesn't like what the President has authorized via executive order, it can always undo said order by legislating. Yes, process matters but until Congress removes the privilege of executive orders from the presidency, current and future president will use them. The question we should legitimately be asking is "has the President overstepped his bounds with the EO issued?" As far as I'm concerned, if Congress doesn't impeach, his EO's are legitimate. Furthermore, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the issue of "executive privilege" long ago. So, unless something drastic happens, I seriously doubt things will change in this realm of authoritarian tug-o-war between the President and Congress any time soon.

    Process, ladies and gentlemen...
    "A fair exchange ain't no robbery." Tupac Shakur w/Digital Underground

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