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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

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    ... But if that's truly the case, why has no President since Reagan - even when our problems with Iran's anti-American rhetoric and radicalism first began - has ever done anything militarily against them? The ONLY country that's ever gone to war with Iran since the 1980's has been Iraq. So, if we're giving credit to any country's leadership for exercising said "strength and force" as you exclaim well, GWB made sure Iraq's ruler would never demonstrate to the world how best to handle the Iran's Supreme Leader.

    Tell "W" I said thanks!

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    Obama is the first president since Carter that mistakenly believes that the Iranians are interested in negotiations. At least Carter can honestly say he didn't know any better.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama is the first president since Carter that mistakenly believes that the Iranians are interested in negotiations. At least Carter can honestly say he didn't know any better.
    if iran is not interested in negotiations, why is it continuing to participate in them
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

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    if iran is not interested in negotiations, why is it continuing to participate in them
    Because they're getting everything they want. These aren't negotiations; they're a give away. Who's going to walk away from a give away?
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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because they're getting everything they want. These aren't negotiations; they're a give away. Who's going to walk away from a give away?
    so far the iranians have given up their development of a nuclear weapon while participating in these negotiations
    that should tell a reasonable person that these talks are genuine
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so far the iranians have given up their development of a nuclear weapon while participating in these negotiations
    that should tell a reasonable person that these talks are genuine


    Sure. Because it's not like they have a long history of being deliberately deceptive about their nuclear program.


    The nuclear program and weaponization is almost universally popular in Iran, an (given the example of North Korea) a major strategic objective for the state that wishes to A) avoid future opposition and B) extend regional hegemony. Furthermore, President Rouhani was the guy who originally proposed a strategy of drawing out negotiations while Iran continued to build in secret back when he was Iran's lead negotiator. That's part of why Rafsanjani backed him in the last election (as he couldn't run himself). The idea that the Iranians are being genuine is dependent upon a rejection of the available evidence and a refusal to study Iranian politics or strategic culture. It's like saying we're gonna elect Rand Paul to be President because we trust him to expand the social welfare state.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if iran is not interested in negotiations, why is it continuing to participate in them
    Because it buys them the time they need, and they were able to get the administration to lift sanctions simply in return for them sitting down.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Because it buys them the time they need, and they were able to get the administration to lift sanctions simply in return for them sitting down.
    but another poster from your side has insisted that 22 months ago it was anticipated the iranians would have nuclear capacity within 12 months ... 10 months ago
    that iran has not developed nuclear capability should tell a reasonable person that these negotiations have been beneficial thus far
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but another poster from your side has insisted that 22 months ago it was anticipated the iranians would have nuclear capacity within 12 months ... 10 months ago
    that iran has not developed nuclear capability should tell a reasonable person that these negotiations have been beneficial thus far
    1. I would have to take a look at the assessments.

    2. Given Iran's long history of deceptive practices, what in the world makes you think that we in the public sphere are aware of their current nuclear capability?

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    Sure. Because it's not like they have a long history of being deliberately deceptive about their nuclear program.
    yes, because all other nations with nuclear capability developed that in full view of the international community
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    The nuclear program and weaponization is almost universally popular in Iran,
    because it should be
    what iranian citizen should feel comfortable knowing that a nuclear armed israel, a nation that cannot be found temperate in its use of force, could decimate their nation while being without nuclear parity

    an (given the example of North Korea) a major strategic objective for the state that wishes to A) avoid future opposition
    reasonable government policy or do you believe that your own government should discontinue ensuring the safety of yourself and your family. if you do not believe such termination of a strong defensive posture is wise, then why should it be found so for the iranian citizens

    and B) extend regional hegemony.
    let's see, iran's major opposition in the region is a nuclear power, yet you find iran the one seeking to assert hegemony. i can only conclude you do not fully understand the meaning of that term

    Furthermore, President Rouhani was the guy who originally proposed a strategy of drawing out negotiations while Iran continued to build in secret back when he was Iran's lead negotiator. That's part of why Rafsanjani backed him in the last election (as he couldn't run himself).
    as opposed to developing nuclear weapons out in the open. like what other nation?

    The idea that the Iranians are being genuine is dependent upon a rejection of the available evidence and a refusal to study Iranian politics or strategic culture.
    let's review which nations have nuclear capacity and which ones are inclined to initiate warfare. and when looking at israel and iran the results are compelling. iran has no nuclear capability and has not initiated warfare with another state in over a century
    in contrast, israel does have nuclear weapons - developed in secrecy by the way - and has initiated warfare against another people within the past year
    no iranian should feel comfortable being without nuclear parity with israel

    It's like saying we're gonna elect Rand Paul to be President because we trust him to expand the social welfare state.
    no, it's like the israelis can now kick their ass with nuclear weapons so iran better arm itself in kind in self defense
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so far the iranians have given up their development of a nuclear weapon while participating in these negotiations
    that should tell a reasonable person that these talks are genuine
    My, look at what the reasonable people are doing:

    Iran is encouraging its terror allies to pursue the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s children by publishing personal information about them, including photographs of the kids lined up in crosshairs, and declaring, “We must await the hunt of Hezbollah.”

    ...The information was originally published in Farsi by an Iranian website affiliated with the IRGC and quickly republished by Iran’s state-controlled Fars News Agency.

    In addition to biographical details and pictures of Netanyahu’s children, the Iranians provided details about the families of former prime ministers Ehud Olmert and Ariel Sharon....
    Yeah. They seem like nice folks. We can probably trust these guys.

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