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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

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    ...but when you don't have willing partners in the region who are willing to take matters into their own hands and fight for their own freedom AND your fellow countrymen are really tired of fighting AND your "all volunteer force" is tired of constantly being thrown into the meat grinder for wars/military campaigns that don't seem to have an end-game, do you think it wise to pursue a single-minded military option as the only solution to the Middle-East problem especially since no other U.S. President before Obama was able to fix the problem?
    If this were the world of the early 1900s and we could afford to look at it, shrug our shoulders, and say 'eh, that's their problem over there' then I am sure more people than not would agree with you, but....BUT! it is NOT that world today. We are in a time where we could be in the ME by air in a few hours, which means that they can be here in the same time. Our interests, and partnerships are intertwined around the world to a greater degree also, and they have had a century of inhabiting places like Europe, and Africa with ideology to the point where some countries within are having a hard time keeping their traditional heritage...They are in a way colonizing from within.

    A military campaign has an end when there is a winner. Anything short of that is a loss. And they know it...We seem to have forgotten that.

    Oh, wait! The problem wasn't exacerbated until The Bush Doctrine went into affect. My bad!
    Oh yes...The world started with Boooooosh! Do you realize how not only short sighted that sounds, but what a lack of historical understanding it displays about radical Islam? Truly that sentence doesn't even deserve a response...

    My point here is simply this: STOP TAKING THE IDEOLOGICAL VIEW to all things.
    You really want to scream at me about ideology, when you just made a statement steeped in nothing but ideologue laden rhetoric?

    The ME in particular isn't a one size fits all situation.
    Not for our enemy it isn't...While we prance around worrying about who's feelings we hurt with language, they saw off the heads of those in their way and count the victories....Good strategy....

    It's far more complicated that you might think.
    Not having the intestinal fortitude to actually fight and win this doesn't make it 'complicated'... That is only an excuse for those of your ideological bent to say 'we can't win, so why try'...
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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya DS. Do you recall BO a couple years ago going into 2013 stating when he gave a time-frame that Iran would reach getting their Nuke?

    Also.....besides the 2 deadlines coming and going. BO has given them another break, Right here in Dec.



    US reportedly accusing Iran of violating nuclear sanctions.....

    Washington has discreetly accused Iran of violating United Nations-imposed restrictions on purchasing materials for a nuclear facility, a US magazine reported Monday. Washington has evidence that Iran is attempting to purchase equipment needed for its heavy-water reactor at Arak, but has not publicly addressed the reported non-compliance, Foreign Policy reported, citing parts of a document compiled by US officials. Foreign Policy said it obtained portions of the confidential briefing, which does not name the US, that outlined the allegations of non-compliance. The paper stated that the US delegation detected an “increase in procurement on behalf of the IR-40 Heavy Water Research Reactor at Arak.”

    Diplomatic sources confirmed to Foreign Policy that the United States presented the briefing to the UN compliance committee. Although Tehran has recently authorized increasing numbers of International Atomic Energy Agency inspections, it has yet to comply with the UN agency’s long-standing requests for information outlining Iran’s military involvement in its nuclear program.

    Last week, outgoing Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Robert Menendez criticized the compromises made by the US and the other P5+1 countries and called for additional sanctions against Iran if a framework agreement is not reached by March 2015.....snip~

    Read more: US reportedly accusing Iran of violating nuclear sanctions | The Times of Israel US reportedly accusing Iran of violating nuclear sanctions | The Times of Israel
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    Moreover.....now with the Coup in Yemen wrapping up and knowing Iran was behind it. Should that be taken into consideration for these talks? Shouldn't Congress' legislation be ready to kick in if Iran doesn't comply? I think the Iranians need to be totally clear on that. The Stick that comes down. Automatically if they don't bring the agreement.
    At this point in time, I remain concerned that the P+5 is largely yielding while Iran has yet to make the kind of firm commitments (or to signal them) to alleviate the core issues related to Iran's nuclear activities. IMO, should Iran miss yet another deadline, Congress most definitely should increase the sanctions.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    At this point in time, I remain concerned that the P+5 is largely yielding while Iran has yet to make the kind of firm commitments (or to signal them) to alleviate the core issues related to Iran's nuclear activities. IMO, should Iran miss yet another deadline, Congress most definitely should increase the sanctions.
    15 or 16 Democrats were ready to override. Now they plan to wait until March and see what BO can come up with. They should be in place. I showed how the Iranians and The Turks worked that gas for gold scheme.

    BO won't take the hard stand, and that's despite knowing Iran is behind Yemen. As well as in Lebanon and Syria.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    15 or 16 Democrats were ready to override. Now they plan to wait until March and see what BO can come up with. They should be in place. I showed how the Iranians and The Turks worked that gas for gold scheme.

    BO won't take the hard stand, and that's despite knowing Iran is behind Yemen. As well as in Lebanon and Syria.
    I hope that they will be ready to override if Iran misses the March deadline. It makes little sense to give Iran an indefinite timeframe. An extension makes sense if the differences are relatively small so that a modest amount of extra time could bridge them. If the differences remain large with little realistic prospect that they can be overcome, then an extension of time makes little sense. Instead, increased pressure e.g., tightened sanctions would be a better approach.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    At this point in time, I remain concerned that the P+5 is largely yielding while Iran has yet to make the kind of firm commitments (or to signal them) to alleviate the core issues related to Iran's nuclear activities. IMO, should Iran miss yet another deadline, Congress most definitely should increase the sanctions.
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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I hope that they will be ready to override if Iran misses the March deadline. It makes little sense to give Iran an indefinite timeframe. An extension makes sense if the differences are relatively small so that a modest amount of extra time could bridge them. If the differences remain large with little realistic prospect that they can be overcome, then an extension of time makes little sense. Instead, increased pressure e.g., tightened sanctions would be a better approach.


    Their not going to allow access to Parchin, anyways. Moreover we already know they are getting some more reactors from Russia. Which would need to be included in any deal. Especially with being open to inspections. We also caught them obtaining parts that they shouldn't be trying to get.

    Plus they have been enriching all this time. More than likely they have what they need. Other than the delivery system.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [B]Their not going to allow access to Parchin. Moreover we already know they are getting some more reactors from Russia. Which would need to be included in any deal. Especially with being open to inspections. We also caught them obtaining parts that they shouldn't be trying to get.

    Plus they have been enriching all this time.
    More than likely they have what they need. Other than the delivery system.
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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

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    cite please
    President Obama told an Israeli television station on Thursday that his administration believed it would take Iran “over a year or so” to develop a nuclear weapon, and he vowed that the United States would do whatever was necessary to prevent that from happening. “Right now, we think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon, but obviously we don’t want to cut it too close,” Mr. Obama told the Israeli station, Channel 2 TV. Mr. Obama’s estimated timeline contrasts with Mr. Netanyahu’s stated belief that Israel and its Western allies are likely to have to intervene by the spring or summer, when, he says, Iran’s scientists will have enriched enough uranium to become a nuclear threat. Iran denies that its nuclear program has any military aim.

    Mr. Obama has rarely been so specific about how long American intelligence agencies estimate it will take Iran to build a bomb. In defining the problem as he did — when Iran could get a weapon, rather than when it could have the capability to build one — he subtly indicated that he and Mr. Netanyahu still saw the problem in very different terms. Mr. Obama, in the interview, offered a different estimate: How long it would take Iran to build a full weapon. That would mean enriching enough uranium; fashioning it into a weapon, surrounded by detonators; and being able to be delivered by airplane, cargo ship or missile.

    In saying that day was over a year away, he was echoing what intelligence agencies have said to him about their estimates of Iran’s “breakout” capability how long it would take Iranian nuclear scientists to turn their stockpiles of fuel into a working weapon. Mr. Obama has never talked about stopping Iran from achieving weapons capability......snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/wo...says.html?_r=0
    Published: March 14, 2013 <<<<< !


    Hows BO peep and his Team look?
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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Common sense, and history, suggests that Iran isn't interested in negotiations. The only thing they understand is strength and force. If you think that's being ideological, then so be it.
    ... But if that's truly the case, why has no President since Reagan - even when our problems with Iran's anti-American rhetoric and radicalism first began - has ever done anything militarily against them? The ONLY country that's ever gone to war with Iran since the 1980's has been Iraq. So, if we're giving credit to any country's leadership for exercising said "strength and force" as you exclaim well, GWB made sure Iraq's ruler would never demonstrate to the world how best to handle the Iran's Supreme Leader.

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    Re: Netanyahu ‘spat in our face,’ White House officials said to say[W:223]

    Lets say Bibi DID spit in Obama's face. WoOuldnt the prudent question to ask be 'why', not run around like a bunch of outraged children?

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