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Talk of Wealth Gap Prods the G.O.P. to Refocus

Do in no small part to highly effective local negative ad campaigns against anybody close to him in the state.

Well, due to the fact that he didn't do a good job of representing them, and they distrusted him.
 
yes and where do you think those small businesses get money to startup?
they get loans where do you think the loans come from? banks and rich people.

what you just described is money laundering. it is illegal and a criminal offense.
people that make money overseas with overseas investment is not shipping money offshore.

any money that has been invested overseas has already had taxes paid on that money.

Romney and Bush are not going to beat democrats at their own game of class warfare.
they need to come up with a better plan.


So according to you loans only come from the rich and they control the banks?

And no doing whatever you can to avoid paying taxes is not money laundering. It's very common to see corporate shell offices in Bermuda etc. and Swiss bank accounts have been used for decades. And if you think everybody pays their share of taxes you need to come to the real world.
I'm not there yet but I've been infirmed there are plenty of loopholes out their for the filthy rich.
 
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Since when do GOP primaries have anything to do with who gets nominated? Romney was not popular with the base until he got the nomination.

Romney was never popular with the base. The base held their nose. At least the ones I know.
 
No worries, a few more months and Obama and piss down economics will all be a thing of the past.

i woudn't be counting my chickens before they hatch. I'm not seeing anyone in the GOP that is a sure thing next time around. In fact those stepping up belong to a clown car wirh the exception of maybe Bush. But I have doubts the US will go for another Bush.

That said I'm not a Hillary fan and don't believe she's a shoe in.

It will be interesting.
 
Do in no small part to highly effective local negative ad campaigns against anybody close to him in the state.


No, the guy stepped on his dick on a daily basis. His handlers were in in constant damage control. Honestly have never seen anyone flip flop like Romney. The 47 percent comment was his coup de gras.
 
So according to you loans only come from the rich and they control the banks?

And no doing whatever you can to avoid paying taxes is not money laundering. It's very common to see corporate shell offices in Bermuda etc. and Swiss bank accounts have been used for decades. And if you think everybody pays their share if taxes you need to come to the real world.

So what is "their fair share"? 90% 100%? How much of the money of the wealthy do you want to see disappear from this country, because I can assure you that when it gets too high, they can afford to just leave. Then your sliding scale of wealthy starts downward til you get to those who can't escape....Do you know what other system had that plan? Communism.
 
Hyperbole much? As the owner of two businesses I know all about paying taxes. All I ask for is for people to pay what's due without trying to beat the system. And believe it or not I believe everyone should pay some tax. Even the poor.
 
It is an honest statement. What you infer from it and what I inferred from it were very different things.

No, it isn't.

That 47% of the population not paying federal income taxes? That includes retired seniors, high school and college students who work part-time jobs, deployed combat troops, and some incredibly wealthy people whose income comes entirely from investments.

Which of these people can't take responsibility for themselves?
 
So what is "their fair share"? 90% 100%? How much of the money of the wealthy do you want to see disappear from this country, because I can assure you that when it gets too high, they can afford to just leave. Then your sliding scale of wealthy starts downward til you get to those who can't escape....Do you know what other system had that plan? Communism.

Really? Nothing in between 0% and 90%?
 
It's a pity that you fail to see the remarkable difference in the two.

He actually believed the right-wing version of "you didn't build that."
 
No, it isn't.

That 47% of the population not paying federal income taxes? That includes retired seniors, high school and college students who work part-time jobs, deployed combat troops, and some incredibly wealthy people whose income comes entirely from investments.

Which of these people can't take responsibility for themselves?

The ones not paying federal income tax.
 
Romney was never popular with the base. The base held their nose. At least the ones I know.

the bible thumpers hated him since he was neither their version of a Christian nor uneducated. some of the populists on the right disliked the fact that he held Ivy league law and business degrees and was a well connected financier
 
the bible thumpers hated him since he was neither their version of a Christian nor uneducated. some of the populists on the right disliked the fact that he held Ivy league law and business degrees and was a well connected financier

Totally agree. To me he lost due to his religion. Sad in America 2012.
 
Totally agree. To me he lost due to his religion. Sad in America 2012.

I remember an interview back in 08 when some thought it would be Mitt v. Hildabeast

the reporter interviewed a bunch of slow witted evangelicals and asked each one a bunch of questions about policies

after each had chose policies that were far closer to Mitt than HC's the reporter said-so you will vote for Romney if he runs against Hillary? almost everyone of them said no-saying voting for a "real Christian" was more important than getting a president who supported the policies those cheese-dicks wanted.

this is why I hate the religious right almost as much as the socialist left.
 
The ones not paying federal income tax.

Deployed combat troops can't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves.

Ok. Well. If that's what you believe, I hope you voted for Romney. Nothing else to discuss.
 
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I remember an interview back in 08 when some thought it would be Mitt v. Hildabeast

the reporter interviewed a bunch of slow witted evangelicals and asked each one a bunch of questions about policies

after each had chose policies that were far closer to Mitt than HC's the reporter said-so you will vote for Romney if he runs against Hillary? almost everyone of them said no-saying voting for a "real Christian" was more important than getting a president who supported the policies those cheese-dicks wanted.

this is why I hate the religious right almost as much as the socialist left.

Well, at least some conservatives are willing to admit that Romney lost because he wasn't the right candidate. Beats all the usual "Obama won because he's black" or "Democrats stole the election" nonsense.
 
Deployed combat troops can't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves.

Ok. Well. If that's what you believe, I hope you voted for Romney. Nothing else to discuss.

Why would my vote concern you enough to have any hope for it one way or the other?
 
Well, at least some conservatives are willing to admit that Romney lost because he wasn't the right candidate. Beats all the usual "Obama won because he's black" or "Democrats stole the election" nonsense.

Obama won for several reasons

In 08 it was a combination of Bush Fatigue, McCain's lack of a solid vision, a fawning Press and the novelty of a black candidate that caused blacks to vote in record numbers and caused lots of whites to vote for him so they could tell themselves they were open minded or at least not racist


in 2012 it again was a fawning press, black turnout, combined with an asshole who wrongly taped Romney-and Romney failed to deal with that incident, and the fact lots of born again boneheads stayed home.
 
Obama won for several reasons

In 08 it was a combination of Bush Fatigue, McCain's lack of a solid vision, a fawning Press and the novelty of a black candidate that caused blacks to vote in record numbers and caused lots of whites to vote for him so they could tell themselves they were open minded or at least not racist


in 2012 it again was a fawning press, black turnout, combined with an asshole who wrongly taped Romney-and Romney failed to deal with that incident, and the fact lots of born again boneheads stayed home.
I am going to disagree with you here a little bit my friend. I think Obama won in 2012 because at the end of the day he was still the better candidate. Romney made two critical errors in my opinion. 1) He ran from his own financial success. Rather than be proud of his own achievements, he seemed embarrassed by them. He needed a little dose of Donald Trump in his rhetoric. 2) He never gave the average, middle class guy a real reason to vote FOR him. Yes, Romney would fight for the job creators, but he needed a little dose of Santorum populism to appeal to the middle class. Even he seems to recognize this last as he, himself, is sounding the theme this time, but it is probably too late for him.
 
I am going to disagree with you here a little bit my friend. I think Obama won in 2012 because at the end of the day he was still the better candidate. Romney made two critical errors in my opinion. 1) He ran from his own financial success. Rather than be proud of his own achievements, he seemed embarrassed by them. He needed a little dose of Donald Trump in his rhetoric. 2) He never gave the average, middle class guy a real reason to vote FOR him. Yes, Romney would fight for the job creators, but he needed a little dose of Santorum populism to appeal to the middle class. Even he seems to recognize this last as he, himself, is sounding the theme this time, but it is probably too late for him.

there is some truth to that. The Obama care lies never got the press hounding that a Republican would have faced
 
there is some truth to that. The Obama care lies never got the press hounding that a Republican would have faced
Right. And 3) could easily have been Romneys inability to attack Obama on Obamacare since he had done virtually the same thing in Mass. As you know, I am no fan of Obama. He is a horrible president, but a terrific campaigner and he pulled it out
 
Why would my vote concern you enough to have any hope for it one way or the other?

It doesn't concern me. You've stated your opinion of deployed combat troops, retired seniors, and teenagers working to help put themselves through college. I have no response for someone who feels that way. No use.
 
It doesn't concern me. You've stated your opinion of deployed combat troops, retired seniors, and teenagers working to help put themselves through college. I have no response for someone who feels that way. No use.

And yet you responded.
 
Right. And 3) could easily have been Romneys inability to attack Obama on Obamacare since he had done virtually the same thing in Mass. As you know, I am no fan of Obama. He is a horrible president, but a terrific campaigner and he pulled it out

the "inability" to attack Obamacare is mainly a function of the fact that most Americans are ignorant about the difference between a federal government of limited enumerated powers and state governments
 
And yet you responded.

Correct. It doesn't concern me. I find it interesting. Not many people suggest that seniors who worked their whole lives and then retired are some sort of leech on society.
 
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