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Talk of Wealth Gap Prods the G.O.P. to Refocus

Deuce said:
It's not "sleezy." Romney was at a dinner full of wealthy donors and was badmouthing low income people.

And doing it badly, too. Because implying that 47% of the population is a bunch of lazy leeches because that number doesn't pay federal income taxes is pretty ridiculous.
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And Obama will talk about the working mom and pop and then fly off to a $25K a plat fundraiser. What do you think he says to them?
 
Declan said:
And Obama will talk about the working mom and pop and then fly off to a $25K a plat fundraiser. What do you think he says to them?
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Are you telling me you think President Obama talks **** about the poor in those fundraisers? Basically attacks the character of nearly half the people in the country, while a person in that income bracket is standing there in the room?
 
Deuce said:
Are you telling me you think President Obama talks **** about the poor in those fundraisers? Basically attacks the character of nearly half the people in the country, while a person in that income bracket is standing there in the room?
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Yep....
 
Deuce said:
Why? Do you think talking **** about the poor plays well to big time Democrat donors?
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Because it is what it is. Yes.
 
Declan said:
Excellent, now go run off and cling to your guns and Bible.



^^See what I did there?
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Yes those are the sort of things Obama might say at a fundraising dinner.

Bashing the poor is inconsistent with Democratic Party rhetoric.
 
Declan said:
Doesn't make it any less a gotcha sleezy moment for the DNC.
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It was a damning statement. Furthermore, in politics you run on being "higher than sleaze" but you must engage in it. Being two-faced is the norm and is what the American people actually want. The American people want the veneer of positive campaigns to believe they are good people at heart, but actually deeply desire the vitriol of sleaze.
 
Fiddytree said:
It was a damning statement. Furthermore, in politics you run on being "higher than sleaze" but you must engage in it. Being two-faced is the norm and is what the American people actually want. The American people want the veneer of positive campaigns to believe they are good people at heart, but actually deeply desire the vitriol of sleaze.
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It was only damning to the extent that he was being honest. I am a progressive. We have free loaders--those free loaders keep us from helping people who need help. We gots to keep our houses in order too.
 
Declan said:
It was only damning to the extent that he was being honest. I am a progressive. We have free loaders--those free loaders keep us from helping people who need help. We gots to keep our houses in order too.
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If you're running for office in a liberal democracy, you must make the public think you like them, while potentially suggesting that they have to sacrifice a few things to be in a position of satisfaction. Romney's statement didn't really do that.
 
Fiddytree said:
If you're running for office in a liberal democracy, you must make the public think you like them, while potentially suggesting that they have to sacrifice a few things to be in a position of satisfaction. Romney's statement didn't really do that.
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Yeah, but I didn't care about that. It was an honest statement. There are things seriously broken with welfare--denying it and pretending problems do not exist and screaming about the GOP hatefullness might be fun, but it doesn't fix that which is broken. There are things that companies do right---companies like Walmart--and that should be recognized. The list goes on. I make jokes, but when the rubber hits the road, I don't play games and I don't vote for or support candidates who do. Maybe that means my votes don't count, but they count to me. Democrats mostly are just as sucky sucky as the GOP. Not always, but mostly.
 
Declan said:
It was only damning to the extent that he was being honest. I am a progressive. We have free loaders--those free loaders keep us from helping people who need help. We gots to keep our houses in order too.
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Yes, that exists. But claiming it's 47% of the population based on paying federal income taxes? Insane. And completely disconnected from the population.
 
Declan said:
Yeah, but I didn't care about that. It was an honest statement. There are things seriously broken with welfare--denying it and pretending problems do not exist and screaming about the GOP hatefullness might be fun, but it doesn't fix that which is broken. There are things that companies do right---companies like Walmart--and that should be recognized. The list goes on. I make jokes, but when the rubber hits the road, I don't play games and I don't vote for or support candidates who do. Maybe that means my votes don't count, but they count to me. Democrats mostly are just as sucky sucky as the GOP. Not always, but mostly.
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But Romney didn't say "there's problems with welfare."

He said 47% of the population couldn't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves.
 
Deuce said:
But Romney didn't say "there's problems with welfare."

He said 47% of the population couldn't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves.
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Nope - Romney said that running on a policy of federal income tax rate reductions would have no appeal to those that pay no such taxes.
 
Declan said:
Good, Lord, "the scourge of poverty" sounds like another 47% comment with a dash of "gonna put you people back in chains" on top. ;)

Mitt needs to hire better message people. Too many poor people will hear that as "poor people are the scourge of society".
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It wouldn't matter who he hired. They can't keep him from going off message and flip flopping on a daily basis.
 
Deuce said:
But Romney didn't say "there's problems with welfare."

He said 47% of the population couldn't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves.
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It is an honest statement. What you infer from it and what I inferred from it were very different things.
 
JANFU said:
The wealth gap- Romney & J Bush on board- it is a problem. Thoughts are?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/b...-inequality-prods-republicans-to-refocus.html

Mitt Romney, vowing a campaign to “end the scourge of poverty” if he runs for president a third time, has backed raising the minimum wage over the wishes of congressional leaders.

Similarly, Jeb Bush’s new “super PAC,” announced with the fanfare of a presidential declaration, proclaimed, “While the last eight years have been pretty good ones for top earners, they’ve been a lost decade for the rest of America.”
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What next "Yes we can?"
 
Deuce said:
Yes, that exists. But claiming it's 47% of the population based on paying federal income taxes? Insane. And completely disconnected from the population.
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Truth hurts. We are a nation of federal tax free loaders. I mean, the way it sounds, the conservatives at this site pay like 250-300% of their income in taxes every year. I appreciate their sacrifice, and now I want to double that percentage.
 
Deuce said:
They'll lose the primary to tea party nutters and hand the presidency to Hillary Clinton on a silver platter.
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I'm not so sure. We almost got Romney didn't we? If it wasn't for his 47 percent comment we might have.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
It wouldn't matter who he hired. They can't keep him from going off message and flip flopping on a daily basis.
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Probably true, but that is part of his down-home folksy charm wouldn't you say?
 
cpwill said:
Yeah. I haven't seen any of the conservative "thinkers / speakers" come out in favor of it, either. Even Coulter, who was a big Romney fan last time, says he shouldn't run.
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You must have low standards if you think Coulter is a thinker or a speaker.
 
Declan said:
Truth hurts. We are a nation of federal tax free loaders. I mean, the way it sounds, the conservatives at this site pay like 250-300% of their income in taxes every year. I appreciate their sacrifice, and now I want to double that percentage.
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Progressive is just a euphemism for "looter"?
 
Declan said:
It was a crap gotcha moment and it was sleezy for the DNC to play it up. democratic politicians do the same double talk depending on the audience too.
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It was the coup de grace moment of Romney's campaign. Both sides play sleezy. OTOH it was important to know he feels 47 percent of Americans are freeloaders. I don't want somene like that as my president.
 
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