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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

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    Thats no excuse for theocracy, repression, and vast human rights violations. Its like saying well since Kim Jong-Un is power "change will take time".
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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats no excuse for theocracy, repression, and vast human rights violations. Its like saying well since Kim Jong-Un is power "change will take time".
    Change does take time, especially in that neighborhood. Under Abdullah, women obtained the ability to vote. The cascade of events that occurs with women being able to travel, get educated, etc is well known.

    SA isn't perfect, but its better than the alternatives.

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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Of course they have and can. Its called a revolution.
    The most likely revolution in SA would be towards radical islam, not a liberalized state. As an aside-we see how the left treats our liberal democratic ally in the region Israel.

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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

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    Change does take time, especially in that neighborhood. Under Abdullah, women obtained the ability to vote. The cascade of events that occurs with women being able to travel, get educated, etc is well known.

    SA isn't perfect, but its better than the alternatives.
    Can you really talk about change then a blogger is sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1 000 lashes for insulting Islam? You also have to consider that the Saudis mean with insulting Islam. It is not the western type of painting picture of Mohammed instead the blogger just questioned if the the Saudi goverment had the right to meddle in people's personal lives.

    Then it comes to woman, that yes they of 2015 will be able to vote in local election. But is that really a big triumph for woman? That the only other country that have elections for only men is the Vatican city. At the same time after 40 years of close ties to USA, woman in Saudi Arabia are not for example allowed to drive a car, be in a public place without a male chaperone, go for a swim or even buy a barbie doll. That life can even be better for woman in Iran. For example in Iran you even have woman racing drivers. In Saudi Arabia you probably would get wiped only thinking of that idea.

    Eleven things women in Saudi Arabia can't do | News | The Week UK

    Women's rights in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Women's rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Also it can be hard to have an organized moderate opposition in Saudi Arabia, then any attempt to question the fundamentalist brainwash of the regime is met with the whip and imprisonment. Even if you have some brave souls like the blogger. The risk are instead that you end up with people believing so much in the fundamelist brainwash that the strongly object to fact that Saudi Arabia is protected by "American infidels". Like for example Osama bin Ladin that used his share of his Saudi familly fortune to declare holy war against the USA.

    Also Saudi Arabia is not only content with Saudi Arabia being a fundamentalist country. That they also use the oil money to spread fundamentalist islamic beliefs around the world.

    Analyses - Madrassas | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS
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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Can you really talk about change then a blogger is sentenced to 10 years in prison and 1 000 lashes for insulting Islam? You also have to consider that the Saudis mean with insulting Islam. It is not the western type of painting picture of Mohammed instead the blogger just questioned if the the Saudi goverment had the right to meddle in people's personal lives.

    Then it comes to woman, that yes they of 2015 will be able to vote in local election. But is that really a big triumph for woman? That the only other country that have elections for only men is the Vatican city. At the same time after 40 years of close ties to USA, woman in Saudi Arabia are not for example allowed to drive a car, be in a public place without a male chaperone, go for a swim or even buy a barbie doll. That life can even be better for woman in Iran. For example in Iran you even have woman racing drivers. In Saudi Arabia you probably would get wiped only thinking of that idea.

    Eleven things women in Saudi Arabia can't do | News | The Week UK

    Women's rights in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Women's rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Also it can be hard to have an organized moderate opposition in Saudi Arabia, then any attempt to question the fundamentalist brainwash of the regime is met with the whip and imprisonment. Even if you have some brave souls like the blogger. The risk are instead that you end up with people believing so much in the fundamelist brainwash that the strongly object to fact that Saudi Arabia is protected by "American infidels". Like for example Osama bin Ladin that used his share of his Saudi familly fortune to declare holy war against the USA.

    Also Saudi Arabia is not only content with Saudi Arabia being a fundamentalist country. That they also use the oil money to spread fundamentalist islamic beliefs around the world.

    Analyses - Madrassas | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb? | FRONTLINE | PBS
    I absolutely can, because it adds something called CONTEXT. SA isn't the west-but its better than ISIS and they are more suitable to our interests than ISIS would be. They aren't and will never be westerners.

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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I absolutely can, because it adds something called CONTEXT. SA isn't the west-but its better than ISIS and they are more suitable to our interests than ISIS would be. They aren't and will never be westerners.
    Well if you look at context USA have supported SA for almost 40 years and still SA in many ways is a more fundementalistic country when Iran,


    Also if you look at context you have in the islamic part of the world a fight and debate between moderates and fundamentalist muslims. Their SA is strenghteing and supporting the fundamentalist all around the world.

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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Well if you look at context USA have supported SA for almost 40 years and still SA in many ways is a more fundementalistic country when Iran,


    Also if you look at context you have in the islamic part of the world a fight and debate between moderates and fundamentalist muslims. Their SA is strenghteing and supporting the fundamentalist all around the world.
    Iran was much more moderate until the late 70's. SA has always been very conservative-thats the context thing Im talking about. 30 years isn't much to these nations-thats how it works there.

    I have no love for SA, but they are walking a VERY fine line right now-get too friendly to the west and perhaps they will be overtaken by ISIS. Crack down on ISIS too hard and perhaps the same will happen.

    I expect their foreign policy to hold steady, and internally a security crackdown will continue.

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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Iran was much more moderate until the late 70's. SA has always been very conservative-thats the context thing Im talking about. 30 years isn't much to these nations-thats how it works there.

    I have no love for SA, but they are walking a VERY fine line right now-get too friendly to the west and perhaps they will be overtaken by ISIS. Crack down on ISIS too hard and perhaps the same will happen.

    I expect their foreign policy to hold steady, and internally a security crackdown will continue.
    Yes that is the big problem that SA stand for a extremly fundamentalistic and intolerate form of islam Wahhabism and at the same have extreme amount of oil money. That means that not only have the SA people have to suffer for 30 years with almost no change. But the SA have for decades spent enormous amount of money spreading Wahhabism . You also have to realise that SA is really a strange thing that with that kind of extreme islamic beliefs it would be more likely that they would be anti USA. But because of the protection and all the dollars for their oil the monarchy are loyal to USA and the west. But the same can't be said about all the people that is teached Saudi Wahhabism.

    Jonathan Manthorpe: Saudi Arabia funding fuels jihadist terror

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/cr...bia-1588245666
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    Re: Saudi King Abdullah dies aged 91

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Iran was much more moderate until the late 70's. SA has always been very conservative-thats the context thing Im talking about. 30 years isn't much to these nations-thats how it works there.

    I have no love for SA, but they are walking a VERY fine line right now-get too friendly to the west and perhaps they will be overtaken by ISIS. Crack down on ISIS too hard and perhaps the same will happen.

    I expect their foreign policy to hold steady, and internally a security crackdown will continue.

    Lets be realistic about SA, what it is and why we support calm there. What it is, is a nation which produces 1o million barrels of oil a day in a world that uses about 85 million. It is a nation that is sitting on a wealth fund of about $900 billion, so where and what they invest in matters to the world economy. So in a word they are POWERFUL well beyond the size of their people or the might of their military.

    They can allow the world to be flooded with oil as they are doing now, knocking the price in more than half, or they can cut off the spigot and sent the price skyrocketing as they did in the 70's.

    So they have to be dealt with very carefully, even if they are key exporters of the strain of religion that causes terrorism.

    As they say money talks and B.S. walks.

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