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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Until he's proven guilty, eh?
    Everyone is presumed innocent. No charges, no trial, eqials innocent.

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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    100 % wrong.

    That's not what they said, they said that they couldn't find enough evidence to get a conviction.

    That doesn't = innocent.
    Oh... I see, you won't call him innocent until a full bore trial has been held and found "Not guilty" right?
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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Oh... I see, you won't call him innocent until a full bore trial has been held and found "Not guilty" right?


    I might call him not guilty if he's never convicted.

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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    100 % wrong.

    That's not what they said, they said that they couldn't find enough evidence to get a conviction.

    That doesn't = innocent.
    Actually, it does = innocent.
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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, it does = innocent.


    Not to Brown's family who will be the ones who determine when this kerfuffle is over with.

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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone who isn't convicted is found not guilty.
    And thus, legally speaking, they are PRESUMED to be innocent.

    The default presumption, legally speaking, is that people are innocent. It's incumbant upon the state to prove the guilt, to the standards required under the law, which includes everything from the criteria to justify a search all the way up to the requirements for a guilty verdict.

    Now you can personally feel however you want about any given case. But legally speaking, Darren Wilson is innocent. He's not been FOUND innocent or PROVEN innocent, but he is by default presumed to be innocent legally speaking and continues to be as the government has not been able to meet the standards to bring him before a court of law and find him guilty of a crime.

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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is entirely irrelevant since the justice system doesn't find anyone innocent, they just find them not guilty. Darren Wilson is not guilty.
    This is because the justice system makes no attempts to prove innocent or not. It simply attempts to prove guilt.

    There's no need to find that someone is "innocent" because that's the default assumption that is presumed unless a "guilty" verdict is reached.

    If you can't prove their guilty, then they're not guilty. If they're not guilty, then the presumption of innocent remains. Thus someone is FOUND to be not gulity, and thus legally speaking remain innocent.

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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I might call him not guilty if he's never convicted.
    So you admit then you are completely biased on this matter, ignore the evidence, testimony and other legal processes (grand jury) and will forever see this man as guilty. Basically we can ignore your view on Darren Wilson as its merely based on pure hate.
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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is because the justice system makes no attempts to prove innocent or not. It simply attempts to prove guilt.

    There's no need to find that someone is "innocent" because that's the default assumption that is presumed unless a "guilty" verdict is reached.

    If you can't prove their guilty, then they're not guilty. If they're not guilty, then the presumption of innocent remains. Thus someone is FOUND to be not gulity, and thus legally speaking remain innocent.
    But that's not the case. Being found not guilty has nothing to do with being factually innocent. It just means that there was insufficient evidence, the lawyers were incompetent or the jury was too stupid to bring a guilty verdict. A jury found OJ Simpson not guilty of murder, that doesn't mean he didn't do it, just that the jury didn't find the evidence compelling, mostly because they were all incompetent idiots. A presumption of innocence and actual innocence are often very different things.

    Today, however, and this seems to be primarily among liberals, they're so insistent on achieving "social justice" that they keep retrying the person for different things, each with a lesser burden of proof, until the can con a jury into finding the way they want.
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    Re: Federal charges unlikely for Darren Wilson in Ferguson case, officials say

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Not to Brown's family who will be the ones who determine when this kerfuffle is over with.
    No, they don't get to make the decision.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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